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	<title>Comments on: Open source projects don&#8217;t have launch parties</title>
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		<title>By: decremental &#187; A quick update</title>
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		<dc:creator>decremental &#187; A quick update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the things we&#8217;ve heard over and over is that people are confused about where we are in our development cycle and some frustration about the gap between our grand vision and the state of the current build.&#160; Building software is hard work, so it will take us a while before our software will live up to our vision, but we can and should do a better job at helping people understand where we are.&#160; Therefore, we have published a development roadmap and redesigned our homepage. We&#8217;re also reflecting on how we can better manage the challenges of operating both as an open source project and as a startup.&#160;   Keep the feedback coming! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the things we&#8217;ve heard over and over is that people are confused about where we are in our development cycle and some frustration about the gap between our grand vision and the state of the current build.&nbsp; Building software is hard work, so it will take us a while before our software will live up to our vision, but we can and should do a better job at helping people understand where we are.&nbsp; Therefore, we have published a development roadmap and redesigned our homepage. We&#8217;re also reflecting on how we can better manage the challenges of operating both as an open source project and as a startup.&nbsp;   Keep the feedback coming! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Read/Write Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Read/Write Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Web 2.0 Weekly Wrap-up, 7 - 13 Nov 2005&lt;/strong&gt;

This week: International Web 2.0, Mainstream Media Meltdown, Microsoft &quot;Leaked&quot;
docs, Web 2.0 poster children rebel, Post of the Week - samy conquers myspace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Web 2.0 Weekly Wrap-up, 7 &#8211; 13 Nov 2005</strong></p>
<p>This week: International Web 2.0, Mainstream Media Meltdown, Microsoft &#8220;Leaked&#8221;<br />
docs, Web 2.0 poster children rebel, Post of the Week &#8211; samy conquers myspace.</p>
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		<title>By: Read/Write Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>Read/Write Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Just Say No To Web 2.0&lt;/strong&gt;

Flock has been getting a lot of flack from certain quarters. Mostly they&#039;re being (unfairly) tagged as a kind of symbol of the so-called Web 2.0 bubble. I&#039;ve been dismayed by some of the venom that&#039;s been directed at Flock...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Just Say No To Web 2.0</strong></p>
<p>Flock has been getting a lot of flack from certain quarters. Mostly they&#8217;re being (unfairly) tagged as a kind of symbol of the so-called Web 2.0 bubble. I&#8217;ve been dismayed by some of the venom that&#8217;s been directed at Flock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anh. Might have been worth it. But we were already on the map before Web2.0... just without a downloadable product!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anh. Might have been worth it. But we were already on the map before Web2.0&#8230; just without a downloadable product!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Webb</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That 30,000 dollar web2.0 presentation fee doesn&#039;t look as good now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 30,000 dollar web2.0 presentation fee doesn&#8217;t look as good now?</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/#comment-999&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ron&lt;/a&gt;: Yeah, that&#039;s a good point. But honestly, I think we just happen to be on the vanguard of what will materialize as something of a shake-out in how VC operates when it comes to open source projects... perhaps moving towards a model that Jason Friend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/paul_graham_on_the_vc_squeeze.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;might actually like&lt;/a&gt; (he seems to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/entrepreneurs_angels_and_the_cost_of_launch.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many pertinent thoughts&lt;/a&gt; on this matter).

I don&#039;t think that there truly is a discrepancy in the folklore that &quot;open source is free (as in beer)&quot; and that &quot;startups are venture capital&quot;. One thing I&#039;ve learned about this process is that venture capitalists (read: &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt; venture capitalists) need not only act as a bank account for startups. Indeed, their true value lies in facilitating the maturation of ideas into businesses, and in that interest, they provide their expertise, their rolodex and their insights in order to bring about the construction of profitable organizations.

That we&#039;re open source and also trying to sustain ourselves is not something altogether new. How we intend to make a living is somewhat new, but as Bart has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.decrem.com/bart/2005/10/creating-sustainable-value/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt;, there are established examples that prove that this is a reasonable approach.

Put it this way: consumer software development (an awful phrase, I admit) using open source methodologies and licensing means that the areas in which we differentiate ourselves are: speed, service, feature set, vision and execution. In the olden days (ha!) when you &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; keep your code to yourself, you just had to force people into proprietary data formats, add a few features every coupla years and provide tech support. If you were first to a space or dominated by having the most ubiquitous data format or &lt;em&gt;owned the desktop&lt;/em&gt;, you could get lazy while your monopoly built itself.

The web is opening doors and revealing possibilities that the old guard probably hoped would never gain popular traction. So Flock intends to be an example of one of those fast companies that&#039;s out to make a difference not just in releasing awesome open source software, but in &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; we go about building it, incorporating a community made up of more than just developer geeks.

To sum up Flock&#039;s vision, straight from our homepage: &lt;strong&gt;We believe that it should be easy for everyone to contribute to and participate on the web. &lt;/strong&gt; While we&#039;ve talk a lot about building a &quot;social browser&quot;, it seems more like that if you do begin participating an engaging on the web, that the social interactions, like this one on this blog (which was created in Flock), will become more common and accessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/#comment-999" rel="nofollow">@Ron</a>: Yeah, that&#8217;s a good point. But honestly, I think we just happen to be on the vanguard of what will materialize as something of a shake-out in how VC operates when it comes to open source projects&#8230; perhaps moving towards a model that Jason Friend <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/paul_graham_on_the_vc_squeeze.php" rel="nofollow">might actually like</a> (he seems to have <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/entrepreneurs_angels_and_the_cost_of_launch.php" rel="nofollow">many pertinent thoughts</a> on this matter).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that there truly is a discrepancy in the folklore that &#8220;open source is free (as in beer)&#8221; and that &#8220;startups are venture capital&#8221;. One thing I&#8217;ve learned about this process is that venture capitalists (read: <em>good</em> venture capitalists) need not only act as a bank account for startups. Indeed, their true value lies in facilitating the maturation of ideas into businesses, and in that interest, they provide their expertise, their rolodex and their insights in order to bring about the construction of profitable organizations.</p>
<p>That we&#8217;re open source and also trying to sustain ourselves is not something altogether new. How we intend to make a living is somewhat new, but as Bart has <a href="http://www.decrem.com/bart/2005/10/creating-sustainable-value/" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a>, there are established examples that prove that this is a reasonable approach.</p>
<p>Put it this way: consumer software development (an awful phrase, I admit) using open source methodologies and licensing means that the areas in which we differentiate ourselves are: speed, service, feature set, vision and execution. In the olden days (ha!) when you <em>could</em> keep your code to yourself, you just had to force people into proprietary data formats, add a few features every coupla years and provide tech support. If you were first to a space or dominated by having the most ubiquitous data format or <em>owned the desktop</em>, you could get lazy while your monopoly built itself.</p>
<p>The web is opening doors and revealing possibilities that the old guard probably hoped would never gain popular traction. So Flock intends to be an example of one of those fast companies that&#8217;s out to make a difference not just in releasing awesome open source software, but in <em>how</em> we go about building it, incorporating a community made up of more than just developer geeks.</p>
<p>To sum up Flock&#8217;s vision, straight from our homepage: <strong>We believe that it should be easy for everyone to contribute to and participate on the web. </strong> While we&#8217;ve talk a lot about building a &#8220;social browser&#8221;, it seems more like that if you do begin participating an engaging on the web, that the social interactions, like this one on this blog (which was created in Flock), will become more common and accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron van den Boogaard</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointing out that the mechanisms of traditional startups don&#039;t apply to open source project means, that have to sell (in a commucative way) an entire new concept of which the market hasn&#039;t heard yet. So you are not only trying to &quot;sell&quot; (for the lack of a better word) Flock, you&#039;re also trying to flock an entirely new business-model.

Which has an inherit discrepancy in it. &quot;Open source is free&quot;. &quot;Startups are venture capital.&quot; I am not saying that it is that way it is, I am just saying that that might be a very common perception.
I think you have a serious problem there, which also might explain the huge criticism that exists in some places. E.g. Flock sucks and Houston we have a solution....

And for the vision: a true great vision can be summed up in one single sentence. I am very curious hearing that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing out that the mechanisms of traditional startups don&#8217;t apply to open source project means, that have to sell (in a commucative way) an entire new concept of which the market hasn&#8217;t heard yet. So you are not only trying to &#8220;sell&#8221; (for the lack of a better word) Flock, you&#8217;re also trying to flock an entirely new business-model.</p>
<p>Which has an inherit discrepancy in it. &#8220;Open source is free&#8221;. &#8220;Startups are venture capital.&#8221; I am not saying that it is that way it is, I am just saying that that might be a very common perception.<br />
I think you have a serious problem there, which also might explain the huge criticism that exists in some places. E.g. Flock sucks and Houston we have a solution&#8230;.</p>
<p>And for the vision: a true great vision can be summed up in one single sentence. I am very curious hearing that one.</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/#comment-996&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ron&lt;/a&gt;: totally true. In this post I wanted to simply point out that the mechanisms of traditional startups don&#039;t quite translate when applied to open source projects. 

To your point, I think it&#039;s going to be an ongoing process, but yes, I fully intend to do more to communicate where we&#039;re going and what&#039;s up next. I&#039;m drafting a few things for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://flock.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;site&lt;/a&gt; currently that should help with this.

As an aside, truth be told, due to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://bugs.flock.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1550&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bug&lt;/a&gt; in an hourly build of Flock, I ended up publishing this post before I&#039;d read through it one last time. Oh well -- guess that&#039;s the breaks when eating your own dogfood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/#comment-996" rel="nofollow">@Ron</a>: totally true. In this post I wanted to simply point out that the mechanisms of traditional startups don&#8217;t quite translate when applied to open source projects. </p>
<p>To your point, I think it&#8217;s going to be an ongoing process, but yes, I fully intend to do more to communicate where we&#8217;re going and what&#8217;s up next. I&#8217;m drafting a few things for the <a href="http://flock.com" rel="nofollow">site</a> currently that should help with this.</p>
<p>As an aside, truth be told, due to a <a href="http://bugs.flock.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1550" rel="nofollow">bug</a> in an hourly build of Flock, I ended up publishing this post before I&#8217;d read through it one last time. Oh well &#8212; guess that&#8217;s the breaks when eating your own dogfood!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron van den Boogaard</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/11/06/open-source-projects-dont-have-launch-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you have admitted your communication mistakes. Can happen to anyone.
Apparently there is a vision. But that is still not communicated. 
Is there a vision? Perhaps? Maybe? Eventually?

Even this post doesn&#039;t do much in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you have admitted your communication mistakes. Can happen to anyone.<br />
Apparently there is a vision. But that is still not communicated.<br />
Is there a vision? Perhaps? Maybe? Eventually?</p>
<p>Even this post doesn&#8217;t do much in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoffbauer &#187; Flock - Gedanken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoffbauer &#187; Flock - Gedanken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] er.)    	Open source projects donâ€™t have launch parties. Iâ€™ll elaborate on this one.  	Open source projects donâ€™t have launch parties at FactoryCity [...]</description>
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