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		<title>By: philopers</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/12/06/san-fransocial/comment-page-1/#comment-20448</link>
		<dc:creator>philopers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another really nice, great and original comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Breyten&#8217;s Dev Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2005-12-09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breyten&#8217;s Dev Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2005-12-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] San Fransocial at FactoryCity &#8220;nstead of the old chat, look at each other in the eye, sip, drink, speak, listen, respond and on and on, you have these myriad verbal, non-verbal and digital communication methods happening simultaneously, spontaneously and asynchronously. &#8220; (tags: social funny sanfransocial) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] San Fransocial at FactoryCity &#8220;nstead of the old chat, look at each other in the eye, sip, drink, speak, listen, respond and on and on, you have these myriad verbal, non-verbal and digital communication methods happening simultaneously, spontaneously and asynchronously. &#8220; (tags: social funny sanfransocial) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flockstars  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Flockstar Spotlight: Tara Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flockstars  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Flockstar Spotlight: Tara Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ogue/44397036&quot; title=&quot;Photo Sharing&quot;&gt; 	Flockstar Spotlight: Tara Hunt  	Tara Hunt is a San Fran Socialite who has been using Flock since the beginning. She is involved in many We [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Build me a distributed LazyWeb!   at  FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/12/06/san-fransocial/comment-page-1/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>Build me a distributed LazyWeb!   at  FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ,  Open source. 													Tags: No Tags.											 				 	 				 												So I&#039;m San Fransocializing with Tantek and Greg Elin, shootin&#039; the breeze and considering how we c [...]</description>
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<p> 												So I&#8217;m San Fransocializing with Tantek and Greg Elin, shootin&#8217; the breeze and considering how we c [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Out of Towner Meetup   at  FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/12/06/san-fransocial/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>The Out of Towner Meetup   at  FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] et2 event is over, we&#039;ll mosey on over to Medjool for drinks, food and general tomfoolery. San Fransocializing will likely occur, but that&#039;s up to the individual attendees.  	Anyway, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: vanderwal</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/12/06/san-fransocial/comment-page-1/#comment-1301</link>
		<dc:creator>vanderwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure this is a San Francisco thing as much as it is our culture.  I have been traveling a lot this past year.  I see this pattern an aweful lot.  I also saw it in the mid-90s when laptops became laptops.  I see more people in Europe using their mobile in this multi-social capacity than laptops.  

When I am traveling I often have my laptop with me, but when I am near home I most often an out with a much smaller device (Treo).  My laptop is my portable office, but my Treo is my personal communication device. Increasingly, there are many occasions where I have both. As I am moving back into serious project work, my laptop is increasingly with me (but it is also my desktop - for now).

The rudeness I think correlates to whom we are interacting.  If it is geek, the laptops are out and mobiles clicking.  If it is not geek, I am less inclined to do so.  But, I will pop out the laptop or mobile for a quick demo or to show an example. I also will pull out graph paper and illustrate.

This last trip in England I had meetings where my laptop stayed tucked away while discussing business, but also had social occasions where I found the bar had wifi and all the laptops popped out while we chatted multi-socially and drank beers.  I also had business meetings where all the parties had their laptops out taking notes (to ensure everything was captured) and quick references could be checked, even with no connectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure this is a San Francisco thing as much as it is our culture.  I have been traveling a lot this past year.  I see this pattern an aweful lot.  I also saw it in the mid-90s when laptops became laptops.  I see more people in Europe using their mobile in this multi-social capacity than laptops.  </p>
<p>When I am traveling I often have my laptop with me, but when I am near home I most often an out with a much smaller device (Treo).  My laptop is my portable office, but my Treo is my personal communication device. Increasingly, there are many occasions where I have both. As I am moving back into serious project work, my laptop is increasingly with me (but it is also my desktop &#8211; for now).</p>
<p>The rudeness I think correlates to whom we are interacting.  If it is geek, the laptops are out and mobiles clicking.  If it is not geek, I am less inclined to do so.  But, I will pop out the laptop or mobile for a quick demo or to show an example. I also will pull out graph paper and illustrate.</p>
<p>This last trip in England I had meetings where my laptop stayed tucked away while discussing business, but also had social occasions where I found the bar had wifi and all the laptops popped out while we chatted multi-socially and drank beers.  I also had business meetings where all the parties had their laptops out taking notes (to ensure everything was captured) and quick references could be checked, even with no connectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: tobto  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Ñ?Ð¿Ñ–Ð»ÐºÑƒÐ²Ð°Ð½Ð½Ñ? Ñƒ Ñ?Ñ‚Ð¸Ð»Ñ– &#8216;Web2.0 Party&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ?Ð¿Ñ–Ð»ÐºÑƒÐ²Ð°Ð½Ð½Ñ? Ñƒ Ñ?Ñ‚Ð¸Ð»Ñ– &#8216;Web2.0 Party&#8217; 	 			 				Ð”Ñ?ÐºÑƒÑŽÑ‡Ð¸ San Fransocial, Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ¼Ð¾ Ð´Ñ–Ð·Ð½Ð°Ñ‚Ð¸Ñ?ÑŒ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾ Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ð¹ Ñ‚Ð¸Ð¿ Ñ?Ð¿Ñ–Ð»ÐºÑƒÐ²Ð°Ð½ [...]</description>
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<p> 				Ð”Ñ?ÐºÑƒÑŽÑ‡Ð¸ San Fransocial, Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ¼Ð¾ Ð´Ñ–Ð·Ð½Ð°Ñ‚Ð¸Ñ?ÑŒ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾ Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ð¹ Ñ‚Ð¸Ð¿ Ñ?Ð¿Ñ–Ð»ÐºÑƒÐ²Ð°Ð½ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2005/12/06/san-fransocial/comment-page-1/#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I think your points are also valid and well-taken. I typically consider myself a luddite even though when I say that, people usually look at my cock-eyed. 

But it&#039;s true -- there&#039;s absolutely something sacred in having one-to-one or one-to-few conversations. And I think that those conversations actually happen &lt;strong&gt;more often&lt;/strong&gt; in the context of San Fransocializing.

Let me propose a clarification. It seems to me that the traditional view of geeks pegs them as smelly, socially inept dweebs, locked up in their bedrooms or basements and trolling IRC. I&#039;m sure that actually was the reality for some time. But this new generation of geeks, hey, we &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; being social and being out around our friends and other people. But we also like to use our gadgets and stay connected to people who aren&#039;t physically present.

You mentioned the backchannel as a distraction -- and that if a speaker is no good, well, get up and leave. I heard this argument before and it doesn&#039;t real hold muster. I mean, consider Les Blogs. People &lt;strong&gt;paid&lt;/strong&gt; for that conference. A number of the panels were basic and not terribly challenging. Yet the backchannel discourse was humourous, engaging and personal. When there wasn&#039;t enough intellectual fodder being tossed around on stage, we made up for it in the backchannel. Did it get out of hand? Anh, I dunno, we were thinking those thoughts anyway. And I just don&#039;t follow the rule that &quot;If you&#039;ve got nothing nice to say, don&#039;t say anything at all.&quot; We don&#039;t have our vaunted Freedom of Speech for nothing.

But ok ok, so I alluded to the last point I want to make about this: more than ever, we&#039;re able to be inclusive and rope in folks who otherwise wouldn&#039;t be able to participate in conversations and dialogues that once were the mores of the wealthy, the elite, the sophisticated. We&#039;re overrunning those channels with amateurs, uncooth debutantes with all the ego of a Mac truck. And sorry, but we&#039;re not going away.

Maybe, as Mena was suggesting, we need to teach politeness in kindergarten again. I&#039;d be for that. Kids are learning to swear before they&#039;re potty-trained and something seems off about that. I mean, it&#039;s just language, but hey, let&#039;s clean up our behavior offline before we impose the manner-police on the web. At least online you can close your browser, kill IRC, junk and email or shut the damn box off. In real life, hey, you really don&#039;t have so much control over your social environment. Get what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I think your points are also valid and well-taken. I typically consider myself a luddite even though when I say that, people usually look at my cock-eyed. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true &#8212; there&#8217;s absolutely something sacred in having one-to-one or one-to-few conversations. And I think that those conversations actually happen <strong>more often</strong> in the context of San Fransocializing.</p>
<p>Let me propose a clarification. It seems to me that the traditional view of geeks pegs them as smelly, socially inept dweebs, locked up in their bedrooms or basements and trolling IRC. I&#8217;m sure that actually was the reality for some time. But this new generation of geeks, hey, we <em>like</em> being social and being out around our friends and other people. But we also like to use our gadgets and stay connected to people who aren&#8217;t physically present.</p>
<p>You mentioned the backchannel as a distraction &#8212; and that if a speaker is no good, well, get up and leave. I heard this argument before and it doesn&#8217;t real hold muster. I mean, consider Les Blogs. People <strong>paid</strong> for that conference. A number of the panels were basic and not terribly challenging. Yet the backchannel discourse was humourous, engaging and personal. When there wasn&#8217;t enough intellectual fodder being tossed around on stage, we made up for it in the backchannel. Did it get out of hand? Anh, I dunno, we were thinking those thoughts anyway. And I just don&#8217;t follow the rule that &#8220;If you&#8217;ve got nothing nice to say, don&#8217;t say anything at all.&#8221; We don&#8217;t have our vaunted Freedom of Speech for nothing.</p>
<p>But ok ok, so I alluded to the last point I want to make about this: more than ever, we&#8217;re able to be inclusive and rope in folks who otherwise wouldn&#8217;t be able to participate in conversations and dialogues that once were the mores of the wealthy, the elite, the sophisticated. We&#8217;re overrunning those channels with amateurs, uncooth debutantes with all the ego of a Mac truck. And sorry, but we&#8217;re not going away.</p>
<p>Maybe, as Mena was suggesting, we need to teach politeness in kindergarten again. I&#8217;d be for that. Kids are learning to swear before they&#8217;re potty-trained and something seems off about that. I mean, it&#8217;s just language, but hey, let&#8217;s clean up our behavior offline before we impose the manner-police on the web. At least online you can close your browser, kill IRC, junk and email or shut the damn box off. In real life, hey, you really don&#8217;t have so much control over your social environment. Get what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: San Franantisocial   at  FactoryCity</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Franantisocial   at  FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; when meeting others they may find it rude or anti-social â€“
&gt; most people like being listened to more than they like 
&gt; talking.

While I&#039;m a total geek, I count myself among those &quot;others&quot; who finds it both rude and distressing to see people multitasking when I&#039;m communicating with them... or attempting to communicate.

When you&#039;re in my home or having coffee with me, you damn well better turn OFF the flippin&#039; phone (or at least put it on vibrate), and turn OFF the laptop, unless we&#039;re looking at pictures or listening to music TOGETHER.

And even then, frankly, I&#039;d rather drink a cup of coffee with you and CHAT.

And by chat, I mean in person.  Looking into each others&#039; eyes.  Maybe putting a hand on each others&#039; shoulders for emphasis.  And concentrating on each other (or, if in a group, on the group) 100%.

Hey, look, I use Trillian.  I used to use IRC a bunch.  I like e-mail.  I&#039;ve used Skype.  And yes, I&#039;ll admit that -- somewhat hypocritically -- I&#039;ve gone to meetings on occasion and spent time checking my e-mail.

But still, there&#039;s something sacred and IMPORTANT about in-person communications, IMHO, that demand one&#039;s full attention.

And yes, this means I also abhor the &#039;backchannel&#039; at conferences.  Taking notes... that&#039;s fine.  But chatting with others to deride or &quot;augment&quot; the speaker?  That&#039;s crappy.

Boring speaker?  Leave the room or hire a different speaker.  If a speaker is boring enough, often enough, hopefully they won&#039;t be asked back.

Maybe, at 34 years old, I&#039;m just an aging old luddite... but I do tech stuff full time for a living.  I like geekery.  I just wish that -- once it helped bring people together -- that people would actually ENJOY that time with others they&#039;re literally faced with and not feel compelled to be multitasking.</description>
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&gt; most people like being listened to more than they like<br />
&gt; talking.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m a total geek, I count myself among those &#8220;others&#8221; who finds it both rude and distressing to see people multitasking when I&#8217;m communicating with them&#8230; or attempting to communicate.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re in my home or having coffee with me, you damn well better turn OFF the flippin&#8217; phone (or at least put it on vibrate), and turn OFF the laptop, unless we&#8217;re looking at pictures or listening to music TOGETHER.</p>
<p>And even then, frankly, I&#8217;d rather drink a cup of coffee with you and CHAT.</p>
<p>And by chat, I mean in person.  Looking into each others&#8217; eyes.  Maybe putting a hand on each others&#8217; shoulders for emphasis.  And concentrating on each other (or, if in a group, on the group) 100%.</p>
<p>Hey, look, I use Trillian.  I used to use IRC a bunch.  I like e-mail.  I&#8217;ve used Skype.  And yes, I&#8217;ll admit that &#8212; somewhat hypocritically &#8212; I&#8217;ve gone to meetings on occasion and spent time checking my e-mail.</p>
<p>But still, there&#8217;s something sacred and IMPORTANT about in-person communications, IMHO, that demand one&#8217;s full attention.</p>
<p>And yes, this means I also abhor the &#8216;backchannel&#8217; at conferences.  Taking notes&#8230; that&#8217;s fine.  But chatting with others to deride or &#8220;augment&#8221; the speaker?  That&#8217;s crappy.</p>
<p>Boring speaker?  Leave the room or hire a different speaker.  If a speaker is boring enough, often enough, hopefully they won&#8217;t be asked back.</p>
<p>Maybe, at 34 years old, I&#8217;m just an aging old luddite&#8230; but I do tech stuff full time for a living.  I like geekery.  I just wish that &#8212; once it helped bring people together &#8212; that people would actually ENJOY that time with others they&#8217;re literally faced with and not feel compelled to be multitasking.</p>
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