Comments on: …Miles of semantic markup before microformats http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:12:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: torresburriel.com» Blog Archive » Los microformatos son marcado semántico http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1880 torresburriel.com» Blog Archive » Los microformatos son marcado semántico Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:22:16 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1880 [...] intenta hacer uso de hCard para describir información como nombre, email, etc. Quien lea [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1880','torresburriel.com&raquo; Blog Archive\r\n &raquo; Los microformatos son marcado semántico'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1880','torresburriel.com&raquo; Blog Archive\r\n &raquo; Los microformatos son marcado semántico','&#91;...&#93; intenta hacer uso de hCard para describir información como nombre, email, etc. Quien lea &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] intenta hacer uso de hCard para describir información como nombre, email, etc. Quien lea [...]
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]]> By: Bèr http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1848 Bèr Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:11:22 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1848 @factoryjoe yes, i love that route :) In fact, I am a <a href="http://sympal.nl/wie" rel="nofollow">recent microformat adept</a>. Still, I think that dictionaries are still built on top of (silly?) grammatic rules, set by grammar fetishist. Yes, they are people in grey suits, bending over silly Engrish technicalities (I guess Dutch are much worse in that then UKers, let alone USspeakers). Stilll those laws manage to set standars, which are so extremely important to make up our communication. There would be no 1337 14nGu4g3 without proper well define enlish grammar laws. In other words: yes, Oasis is a bunch of grey suits. People setting very technical (yet not very practical) laws on how we shoulod order our information. Still they manage very well to make up good standards, standards where folks like those behind microformats shhouls at least strive towards.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1848','Bèr'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1848','Bèr','@factoryjoe \r\nyes, i love that route :) In fact, I am a <a href=\"http:\/\/sympal.nl\/wie\" rel=\"nofollow\">recent microformat adept<\/a>. Still, I think that dictionaries are still built on top of (silly?) grammatic rules, set by grammar fetishist. Yes, they are people in grey suits, bending over silly Engrish technicalities (I guess Dutch are much worse in that then UKers, let alone USspeakers). Stilll those laws manage to set standars, which are so extremely important to make up our communication. There would be no 1337 14nGu4g3 without proper well define enlish grammar laws.\r\n\r\nIn other words: yes, Oasis is a bunch of grey suits. People setting very technical (yet not very practical) laws on how we shoulod order our information. \r\nStill they manage very well to make up good standards, standards where folks like those behind microformats shhouls at least strive towards.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @factoryjoe
yes, i love that route :) In fact, I am a recent microformat adept. Still, I think that dictionaries are still built on top of (silly?) grammatic rules, set by grammar fetishist. Yes, they are people in grey suits, bending over silly Engrish technicalities (I guess Dutch are much worse in that then UKers, let alone USspeakers). Stilll those laws manage to set standars, which are so extremely important to make up our communication. There would be no 1337 14nGu4g3 without proper well define enlish grammar laws.

In other words: yes, Oasis is a bunch of grey suits. People setting very technical (yet not very practical) laws on how we shoulod order our information.
Still they manage very well to make up good standards, standards where folks like those behind microformats shhouls at least strive towards.

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]]> By: FactoryJoe http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1847 FactoryJoe Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:41:26 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1847 @ Lloyd: fixed @ Ber: sure, but the purpose and development process of Microformats are different. Microformats don't aim to boil the ocean and get everyone to agree. It's kind of like a dictionary for common behaviors: "since 7 out 10 people use this class for marking up this kind of content, we'll use it as the standard". In that way it's similar to being able to go to a dictionary to see how people spell things like potato or Iditarod. You're free to stray from the norm, but at least with microformats, you've got a place to start from -- additionally using technology available today (XHTML 1.0).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1847','FactoryJoe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1847','FactoryJoe','@ Lloyd: fixed\r\n\r\n@ Ber: sure, but the purpose and development process of Microformats are different. Microformats don\'t aim to boil the ocean and get everyone to agree. It\'s kind of like a dictionary for common behaviors: \"since 7 out 10 people use this class for marking up this kind of content, we\'ll use it as the standard\". In that way it\'s similar to being able to go to a dictionary to see how people spell things like potato or Iditarod. You\'re free to stray from the norm, but at least with microformats, you\'ve got a place to start from -- additionally using technology available today (XHTML 1.0).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @ Lloyd: fixed

@ Ber: sure, but the purpose and development process of Microformats are different. Microformats don’t aim to boil the ocean and get everyone to agree. It’s kind of like a dictionary for common behaviors: “since 7 out 10 people use this class for marking up this kind of content, we’ll use it as the standard”. In that way it’s similar to being able to go to a dictionary to see how people spell things like potato or Iditarod. You’re free to stray from the norm, but at least with microformats, you’ve got a place to start from — additionally using technology available today (XHTML 1.0).

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]]> By: Bèr http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1838 Bèr Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:26:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1838 sorry, wrong paste :$ the homepage of oasis is here: http://www.oasis-open.org<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1838','Bèr'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1838','Bèr','sorry, wrong paste :$ the homepage of oasis is here: http:\/\/www.oasis-open.org'); return false;">Quote</a></div> sorry, wrong paste :$ the homepage of oasis is here: http://www.oasis-open.org
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]]> By: Bèr http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1837 Bèr Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:23:57 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1837 You might also want to check the more official (and, IMO much better architectured) specs on oasis. No, they are not as easy to adopt as microformats, Yes, they are all official Yes, they are already in use (OO.o and government software) No, it is not known to the broad public. But, yes, it is *far* more powerfull then microformats could ever (want to) be. http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/documentation/reference/html/address.html<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1837','Bèr'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1837','Bèr','You might also want to check the more official (and, IMO much better architectured) specs on oasis.\r\n\r\nNo, they are not as easy to adopt as microformats,\r\nYes, they are all official\r\nYes, they are already in use (OO.o and government software) \r\nNo, it is not known to the broad public.\r\nBut, yes, it is *far* more powerfull then microformats could ever (want to) be. \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.oasis-open.org\/docbook\/documentation\/reference\/html\/address.html'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You might also want to check the more official (and, IMO much better architectured) specs on oasis.

No, they are not as easy to adopt as microformats,
Yes, they are all official
Yes, they are already in use (OO.o and government software)
No, it is not known to the broad public.
But, yes, it is *far* more powerfull then microformats could ever (want to) be.

http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/documentation/reference/html/address.html

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]]> By: Lloyd D Budd http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1834 Lloyd D Budd Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:55:32 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1834 Your link from "Community Marks idea" is bad.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1834','Lloyd D Budd'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1834','Lloyd D Budd','Your link from \"Community Marks idea\" is bad.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Your link from “Community Marks idea” is bad.
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]]> By: microformats | weblog | Microformats are semantic markup http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1811 microformats | weblog | Microformats are semantic markup Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:43:34 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1811 [...] cussion Chris and I had yesterday in the microformats irc channel, which Chris has already blogged about. In essence, Chris was asking for a microforma [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1811','microformats | weblog | Microformats are semantic markup'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1811','microformats | weblog | Microformats are semantic markup','&#91;...&#93; cussion Chris and I had yesterday in the microformats irc channel, which Chris has already blogged about. In essence, Chris was asking for a microforma &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] cussion Chris and I had yesterday in the microformats irc channel, which Chris has already blogged about. In essence, Chris was asking for a microforma [...]
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]]> By: ryan king http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1796 ryan king Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:42:40 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1796 I think you've got it right here, Chris. The point that's often missed is that microformats are an outgrowth of a movement that's been going on for quite some time, away from presentational markup on the web towards structural, semantic markup. Microformats are an extension of that movement which codifies regularities discovered in people doing all this semantics/structure work. Oh, and come on, where's my credit for the quote, "there's miles of semantic markup before microformats."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1796','ryan king'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1796','ryan king','I think you\'ve got it right here, Chris.\r\n\r\nThe point that\'s often missed is that microformats are an outgrowth of a movement that\'s been going on for quite some time, away from presentational markup on the web towards structural, semantic markup.\r\n\r\nMicroformats are an extension of that movement which codifies regularities discovered in people doing all this semantics\/structure work.\r\n\r\nOh, and come on, where\'s my credit for the quote, \"there\'s miles of semantic markup before microformats.\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think you’ve got it right here, Chris.

The point that’s often missed is that microformats are an outgrowth of a movement that’s been going on for quite some time, away from presentational markup on the web towards structural, semantic markup.

Microformats are an extension of that movement which codifies regularities discovered in people doing all this semantics/structure work.

Oh, and come on, where’s my credit for the quote, “there’s miles of semantic markup before microformats.”

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]]> By: B.K. DeLong http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1795 B.K. DeLong Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:34:47 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/16/miles-of-semantic-markup-before-microformats/#comment-1795 Hey - it's a start. You should definitely consider adding your ideas to the microformats wiki - it would at least give us something to discuss and potentially test implementing.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1795','B.K. DeLong'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1795','B.K. DeLong','Hey - it\'s a start. You should definitely consider adding your ideas to the microformats wiki - it would at least give us something to discuss and potentially test implementing.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hey - it’s a start. You should definitely consider adding your ideas to the microformats wiki - it would at least give us something to discuss and potentially test implementing.
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