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	<title>Comments on: Incurring the wrath: tags vs labels</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Kohler</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kohler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Google is very influential, that doesn't guarantee that their choice of Labels over Tags will stick. Which services are used most by influential early adopters. Clearly, tagging is the term they'd use first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Google is very influential, that doesn&#8217;t guarantee that their choice of Labels over Tags will stick. Which services are used most by influential early adopters. Clearly, tagging is the term they&#8217;d use first.</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which, in summary, is I think reflective of how we see the web versus how Google does... They believe in "Search above all else" -- which is fine if you're Google, but not if you want portability or independence. Tagging and its social applications are much more personal and network-centric... in a sense, a "people technology". Philosophically, tagging is closer to my ideal of a participatory web than labeling, which is something you do to birthday presents whose wrapping paper is often thrown away. 

Tagging is directly related to the social existence or import of the object, labels simply identify what's inside without playing into a great interpersonal context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, in summary, is I think reflective of how we see the web versus how Google does&#8230; They believe in &#8220;Search above all else&#8221; &#8212; which is fine if you&#8217;re Google, but not if you want portability or independence. Tagging and its social applications are much more personal and network-centric&#8230; in a sense, a &#8220;people technology&#8221;. Philosophically, tagging is closer to my ideal of a participatory web than labeling, which is something you do to birthday presents whose wrapping paper is often thrown away. </p>
<p>Tagging is directly related to the social existence or import of the object, labels simply identify what&#8217;s inside without playing into a great interpersonal context.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Robertson-Boyd</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Robertson-Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris' comment to GregElin hits on this.  "Tag" carries a more open connotation than "label," though it has the anti-social baggage of its origins in graffiti.

Keeping this within context of sharing: Readers may not immediately grasp the value of tagging or labeling; but the net value for all of us is likely greater with "tag" than "label" because readers will intuit the usefulness of a tag within a larger community faster than a label.

As Lloyd said, he labels folders, spices and the like.  But these are not social artifacts.  They are personal in nature and use.  "Tag" is better for the teeming web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8217; comment to GregElin hits on this.  &#8220;Tag&#8221; carries a more open connotation than &#8220;label,&#8221; though it has the anti-social baggage of its origins in graffiti.</p>
<p>Keeping this within context of sharing: Readers may not immediately grasp the value of tagging or labeling; but the net value for all of us is likely greater with &#8220;tag&#8221; than &#8220;label&#8221; because readers will intuit the usefulness of a tag within a larger community faster than a label.</p>
<p>As Lloyd said, he labels folders, spices and the like.  But these are not social artifacts.  They are personal in nature and use.  &#8220;Tag&#8221; is better for the teeming web.</p>
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		<title>By: jakedahn</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>jakedahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagging is fine to define. It's not really that hard, the idea is that you 'tag' an item with anything. The fact that it can  be tagged with anything can cause some confusion. (i guess)

But in Flock ther should be something like a first run tutorial, that explains tagging. Someone should do a quick little screen cast that explains what tagging is. It would eliminate the confusion, as well as define what tagging is and what it is used for.

I also think the idea of Google's 'Labels' is going to flop! Tags are already astablished on many many websites. They have decided to come out with http://www.google.com/bookmarks . Google Bookmarks isnt going to work very well. The label idea just isnt right for bookmarking. 

If you were going to use a real bookmark to mark your place in a book would you label your place or tag it? I sure as hell would tag it!

Anyway the bottom line is that 'tagging' is already a fairly established style of doing things. Why change because Google does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagging is fine to define. It&#8217;s not really that hard, the idea is that you &#8216;tag&#8217; an item with anything. The fact that it can  be tagged with anything can cause some confusion. (i guess)</p>
<p>But in Flock ther should be something like a first run tutorial, that explains tagging. Someone should do a quick little screen cast that explains what tagging is. It would eliminate the confusion, as well as define what tagging is and what it is used for.</p>
<p>I also think the idea of Google&#8217;s &#8216;Labels&#8217; is going to flop! Tags are already astablished on many many websites. They have decided to come out with <a href="http://www.google.com/bookmarks" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/bookmarks</a> . Google Bookmarks isnt going to work very well. The label idea just isnt right for bookmarking. </p>
<p>If you were going to use a real bookmark to mark your place in a book would you label your place or tag it? I sure as hell would tag it!</p>
<p>Anyway the bottom line is that &#8216;tagging&#8217; is already a fairly established style of doing things. Why change because Google does?</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think "jellybeans" is perfect.


PS It was good to meet you Monday. Brilliant blog here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;jellybeans&#8221; is perfect.</p>
<p>PS It was good to meet you Monday. Brilliant blog here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent O.</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2006</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a nutshell, when Flickr, Delicious and Flock prompt me for tags, I can't use HTML tags.  That interaction in itself tells me it's the wrong label for that input box.  Label - get it?  Label?  Funny, huh?  Okay, I'll go back to my day job.

The first time I tried to explain Del.icio.us to one of my programming coworkers, he got confused when I said you could tag your links.  A lot of people have basic exposure to HTML now, and they understand that HTML tags are a programming tool that the web is built on.  He immediately said, "But I don't know HTML."

For that simple reason, I think the term "labels" makes more sense.  The term "tags" already has a specific meaning as it relates to the web and web content.  This new meaning is not an extension of that existing definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nutshell, when Flickr, Delicious and Flock prompt me for tags, I can&#8217;t use HTML tags.  That interaction in itself tells me it&#8217;s the wrong label for that input box.  Label - get it?  Label?  Funny, huh?  Okay, I&#8217;ll go back to my day job.</p>
<p>The first time I tried to explain Del.icio.us to one of my programming coworkers, he got confused when I said you could tag your links.  A lot of people have basic exposure to HTML now, and they understand that HTML tags are a programming tool that the web is built on.  He immediately said, &#8220;But I don&#8217;t know HTML.&#8221;</p>
<p>For that simple reason, I think the term &#8220;labels&#8221; makes more sense.  The term &#8220;tags&#8221; already has a specific meaning as it relates to the web and web content.  This new meaning is not an extension of that existing definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Del Vecchio</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Del Vecchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, it's pretty clear that "tags" are separated by spaces, while "labels" are comma-separated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, it&#8217;s pretty clear that &#8220;tags&#8221; are separated by spaces, while &#8220;labels&#8221; are comma-separated.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank (DesertFox)</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-2002</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank (DesertFox)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about skins and themes?

there's supposed to be a difference, but the terms are so interchanged that it doesn't really matter anymore.

that might happen to labels and tags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about skins and themes?</p>
<p>there&#8217;s supposed to be a difference, but the terms are so interchanged that it doesn&#8217;t really matter anymore.</p>
<p>that might happen to labels and tags.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan king</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-1997</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't 'label' an older term that 'tag'? I'm fairly certain that, at least in my own experience, gmail had labels before I'd ever heard of 'tags.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8216;label&#8217; an older term that &#8216;tag&#8217;? I&#8217;m fairly certain that, at least in my own experience, gmail had labels before I&#8217;d ever heard of &#8216;tags.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd D Budd</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/31/incurring-the-wrath-tags-vs-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd D Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title and image are cute, but I do not really get it.

&lt;a href="http://ian.mckellar.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ian McKellar&lt;/a&gt;, in reply to the same topic on &lt;a href="http://lists.flock.com/mailman/listinfo/flockstars" rel="nofollow"&gt;Flockstars mailing list&lt;/a&gt;wrote:

    The term "label" does describe these things pretty well. Its a short
    description you use to find and organise things. I use labels in my
    filing cabinet, I label spices in my cupboard, I affix address labels to
    mail that I want to send, etc.

I completely agree with Ian, tag does not work well in this context for technical communication to an inclusive audience.

Before Web 2 dot oh, I had never tagged anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title and image are cute, but I do not really get it.</p>
<p><a href="http://ian.mckellar.org/" rel="nofollow">Ian McKellar</a>, in reply to the same topic on <a href="http://lists.flock.com/mailman/listinfo/flockstars" rel="nofollow">Flockstars mailing list</a>wrote:</p>
<p>    The term &#8220;label&#8221; does describe these things pretty well. Its a short<br />
    description you use to find and organise things. I use labels in my<br />
    filing cabinet, I label spices in my cupboard, I affix address labels to<br />
    mail that I want to send, etc.</p>
<p>I completely agree with Ian, tag does not work well in this context for technical communication to an inclusive audience.</p>
<p>Before Web 2 dot oh, I had never tagged anything.</p>
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