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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2903</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Damn, you&#039;re right. I guess I&#039;ll have to make up in wit what I lack in bodaciousness. Ms Hunt indeed has me beat on that count. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Damn, you&#8217;re right. I guess I&#8217;ll have to make up in wit what I lack in bodaciousness. Ms Hunt indeed has me beat on that count. <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; And yes, itâ€™s absolutely about economics. But economic theory has a way of being pushed through political actionâ€¦ in which case, the open source community must operate both as an engine of work and as a political lobbyist. Our economic behavior is our contribution to society, and this idea of moral or ethical business and economies of generousity is something that can bring to the fore of socio-political discourses.

I like this!  It feels much more genuine (and well thought out) than the original post.  I&#039;d love to see this kind of thought expounded upon in your posts!

I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re going to be able to swing it on charm alone; all apologies, but Ms. Hunt is far sexier than you =o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; And yes, itâ€™s absolutely about economics. But economic theory has a way of being pushed through political actionâ€¦ in which case, the open source community must operate both as an engine of work and as a political lobbyist. Our economic behavior is our contribution to society, and this idea of moral or ethical business and economies of generousity is something that can bring to the fore of socio-political discourses.</p>
<p>I like this!  It feels much more genuine (and well thought out) than the original post.  I&#8217;d love to see this kind of thought expounded upon in your posts!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re going to be able to swing it on charm alone; all apologies, but Ms. Hunt is far sexier than you =o)</p>
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		<title>By: FactoryJoe</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>FactoryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan, I have no idea what I meant. Heh, not really, but I think that your challenge is right on.

Open source has a long way to go to make itself as nimble, efficient and visionary as its proprietary counterparts. That is the work of the next generation of open source practitioners, of which I consider myself a member.

And yes, it&#039;s absolutely about economics. But economic theory has a way of being pushed through political action... in which case, the open source community must operate both as an engine of work and as a political lobbyist. Our economic behavior is our contribution to society, and this idea of moral or ethical business and economies of generousity is something that can bring to the fore of socio-political discourses.

Hmm, definitely something to ruminate on in person methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan, I have no idea what I meant. Heh, not really, but I think that your challenge is right on.</p>
<p>Open source has a long way to go to make itself as nimble, efficient and visionary as its proprietary counterparts. That is the work of the next generation of open source practitioners, of which I consider myself a member.</p>
<p>And yes, it&#8217;s absolutely about economics. But economic theory has a way of being pushed through political action&#8230; in which case, the open source community must operate both as an engine of work and as a political lobbyist. Our economic behavior is our contribution to society, and this idea of moral or ethical business and economies of generousity is something that can bring to the fore of socio-political discourses.</p>
<p>Hmm, definitely something to ruminate on in person methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After sleeping on my snark, I realized I should probably offer an example.  I do respect what you&#039;re trying to do here.

&gt; Corruption is the grease on the axles that drive the wheels powered by the diesel of the sovereign state. When you come to our town, we invite you in, we see what youâ€™ve done everywhere youâ€™ve gone, everywhere youâ€™ve been. Yet being open, we let you in. We even sit down and share scotch. But you wonâ€™t get it without becoming a part of it.

What does this mean?  Just pointing at ambiguous &quot;corruption&quot; is pure &quot;madness of the crowds&quot; politicing.

The difference between their town and our town is that, in their town, information is delivered expediently and concisely to the hands that are most able to act on it.  Until the &quot;open town&quot; can deliver on that promise, it will be relegated to counter-cultural status of those with enough freedom to place ideology over common sense.

This is economics, not dogma we&#039;re talking about here.  While I agree there is quite a bit of unfortunate overlap, just calling it out accomplishes nothing.  Read Hayek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After sleeping on my snark, I realized I should probably offer an example.  I do respect what you&#8217;re trying to do here.</p>
<p>&gt; Corruption is the grease on the axles that drive the wheels powered by the diesel of the sovereign state. When you come to our town, we invite you in, we see what youâ€™ve done everywhere youâ€™ve gone, everywhere youâ€™ve been. Yet being open, we let you in. We even sit down and share scotch. But you wonâ€™t get it without becoming a part of it.</p>
<p>What does this mean?  Just pointing at ambiguous &#8220;corruption&#8221; is pure &#8220;madness of the crowds&#8221; politicing.</p>
<p>The difference between their town and our town is that, in their town, information is delivered expediently and concisely to the hands that are most able to act on it.  Until the &#8220;open town&#8221; can deliver on that promise, it will be relegated to counter-cultural status of those with enough freedom to place ideology over common sense.</p>
<p>This is economics, not dogma we&#8217;re talking about here.  While I agree there is quite a bit of unfortunate overlap, just calling it out accomplishes nothing.  Read Hayek: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2866</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for being a skeptic of your reasoning, but this rant does show a general disregard of basic economics.  Be thankful for the priveledge that you have been given, socio-economically and educationally.  Then realize that 99% of the rest of the world lives under much different conditions than California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for being a skeptic of your reasoning, but this rant does show a general disregard of basic economics.  Be thankful for the priveledge that you have been given, socio-economically and educationally.  Then realize that 99% of the rest of the world lives under much different conditions than California.</p>
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		<title>By: shaver</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2543</link>
		<dc:creator>shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve read of the popular economic analyses of SUV-vs-small-cars, the point is not that it improves the world to drive an SUV, but that it&#039;s a rational economic decision, absent any force that imposes the costs of the externalities -- safety of other drivers, environmental effects, aesthetics -- on the decision-makers.  Which is not to say that most people necessarily make their car purchase decisions in an economically rational manner, but, you know.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393324869/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Naked Economics&lt;/a&gt; uses this very issue to discuss the role of government in surfacing externalities and making the private cost equal to the public cost.  As a transit-riding, car-not-owning, comfortable-enough-to-care-about-the-environment sort of guy, I have a visceral abhorence for the &quot;urban SUV&quot; phenomenon, but I think that economic analysis of this nature helps the problem more, long term, than it harms.  Clear thinking on the forces currently in place to promote such buying patterns is extremely important if we want to affect interesting change on those patterns, at least IMO.

I wasn&#039;t thrilled with the Economist article either, and I think that it suffers from some of the same &quot;survivor bias&quot; analysis that characterizes a lot of attempts to paint all of open source with one unifying brush, but I think it was more right than wrong in helping people without much direct experience understand where open source is most likely to be successful (and therefore likely disruptive).  That might help people who oppose some or all forms of open source work, and even possibly lead to some battles lost, but I think that the model is strong enough to stand up to even informed competition, and I hope it will also help people looking for some sort of lateral move with their business to see how they can participate in open source to their own benefit. (Really participate, I mean, not just label-and-spin.)

(Guessing that I can use html links in here, sans preview -- apologies in advance for ugliness that may ensue.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve read of the popular economic analyses of SUV-vs-small-cars, the point is not that it improves the world to drive an SUV, but that it&#8217;s a rational economic decision, absent any force that imposes the costs of the externalities &#8212; safety of other drivers, environmental effects, aesthetics &#8212; on the decision-makers.  Which is not to say that most people necessarily make their car purchase decisions in an economically rational manner, but, you know.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393324869/" rel="nofollow">Naked Economics</a> uses this very issue to discuss the role of government in surfacing externalities and making the private cost equal to the public cost.  As a transit-riding, car-not-owning, comfortable-enough-to-care-about-the-environment sort of guy, I have a visceral abhorence for the &#8220;urban SUV&#8221; phenomenon, but I think that economic analysis of this nature helps the problem more, long term, than it harms.  Clear thinking on the forces currently in place to promote such buying patterns is extremely important if we want to affect interesting change on those patterns, at least IMO.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t thrilled with the Economist article either, and I think that it suffers from some of the same &#8220;survivor bias&#8221; analysis that characterizes a lot of attempts to paint all of open source with one unifying brush, but I think it was more right than wrong in helping people without much direct experience understand where open source is most likely to be successful (and therefore likely disruptive).  That might help people who oppose some or all forms of open source work, and even possibly lead to some battles lost, but I think that the model is strong enough to stand up to even informed competition, and I hope it will also help people looking for some sort of lateral move with their business to see how they can participate in open source to their own benefit. (Really participate, I mean, not just label-and-spin.)</p>
<p>(Guessing that I can use html links in here, sans preview &#8212; apologies in advance for ugliness that may ensue.)</p>
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		<title>By: Glyn Moody</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/19/under-the-economists-microscope/comment-page-1/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>Glyn Moody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great rant.

Here&#039;s mine on the same subject, saying the same things from a slightly different viewpoint:

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2006/03/economistical-with-truth.html

Shame about The Economist....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great rant.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s mine on the same subject, saying the same things from a slightly different viewpoint:</p>
<p><a href="http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2006/03/economistical-with-truth.html" rel="nofollow">http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2006/03/economistical-with-truth.html</a></p>
<p>Shame about The Economist&#8230;.</p>
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