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		<title>By: The Spirit of BarCamp at franztoo</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-52029</link>
		<dc:creator>The Spirit of BarCamp at franztoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Messina: Why BarCamp is a Community Mark     Filed under verschiedenes.&#160;&#160;&#124;      var blogTool = "WordPress"; var blogURL = "http://www.franztoo.de"; var blogTitle = "franztoo"; var postURL = "http://www.franztoo.de/?p=112"; var postTitle = "The Spirit of BarCamp"; var commentAuthorFieldName = "author"; var commentAuthorLoggedIn = false; var commentFormID = "commentform"; var commentTextFieldName = "comment"; var commentButtonName = "submit"; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Was ist eigentlich BarCamp? at franztoo</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-52017</link>
		<dc:creator>Was ist eigentlich BarCamp? at franztoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Messina: Why BarCamp is a Community Mark [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Round the Bar Campfire &#187; And then there was MobiCamp</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-14454</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8216;Round the Bar Campfire &#187; And then there was MobiCamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, if they actually support people editing the rules and coming up with subsequent community revisions, that&#8217;d be pretty cool. Their wiki is actually disguised as a website, so I hope folks will realize that they&#8217;re just using a tricked out version of Instiki and can actually edit the thing. Beyond that, maybe they&#8217;ll go so far as to make MobiCamp a Community Mark and prove that they&#8217;re not interested in owning the event or using it to promote themselves&#8230; but I digress. It&#8217;s nice to see yet another expansion of the camp concept making its way into new genres, new areas of tech, and most of all, into new communities.   Published in: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, if they actually support people editing the rules and coming up with subsequent community revisions, that&#8217;d be pretty cool. Their wiki is actually disguised as a website, so I hope folks will realize that they&#8217;re just using a tricked out version of Instiki and can actually edit the thing. Beyond that, maybe they&#8217;ll go so far as to make MobiCamp a Community Mark and prove that they&#8217;re not interested in owning the event or using it to promote themselves&#8230; but I digress. It&#8217;s nice to see yet another expansion of the camp concept making its way into new genres, new areas of tech, and most of all, into new communities.   Published in: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blowing up trademarks at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4651</link>
		<dc:creator>Blowing up trademarks at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ian Betteridge provides me an opportunity to clarify what I meant in my post on Why BarCamp is a Community Mark. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Howard</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 12:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris I'm hearing you mate! Regarding having a community on your side, I blogged on a similar concept last week in my &lt;a href="http://andyhoward.id.au/2006/05/10/power-to-the-community/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Power to the... community&lt;/a&gt; post - totally along the same lines. Here's the crux of it:

"Would-be copiers know launching a competing product or service will be at the mercy of community members witnessing the conception of the original idea. Original ideas remain the property of the originator, and it becomes a lot harder to â€™stealâ€™ ideas from an originator when youâ€™re up against a loyal and passionate community.

The benefits of community backing are priceless. What does your business have; a passionate community or a much less valuable customer base?"

Preach it dude, I'm with you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris I&#8217;m hearing you mate! Regarding having a community on your side, I blogged on a similar concept last week in my <a href="http://andyhoward.id.au/2006/05/10/power-to-the-community/" rel="nofollow">Power to the&#8230; community</a> post - totally along the same lines. Here&#8217;s the crux of it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Would-be copiers know launching a competing product or service will be at the mercy of community members witnessing the conception of the original idea. Original ideas remain the property of the originator, and it becomes a lot harder to â€™stealâ€™ ideas from an originator when youâ€™re up against a loyal and passionate community.</p>
<p>The benefits of community backing are priceless. What does your business have; a passionate community or a much less valuable customer base?&#8221;</p>
<p>Preach it dude, I&#8217;m with you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Technovia</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4546</link>
		<dc:creator>Technovia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 07:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Factoryjoe on trademarks...&lt;/strong&gt;

FactoryJoe posts onWhy BarCamp is a Community Mark at FactoryCity, and in the process makes a specious comment on trademark law. Responding to my claim that â€œtrademark laws are designed to protect consumers, not ensure a revenue stream for companies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Factoryjoe on trademarks&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>FactoryJoe posts onWhy BarCamp is a Community Mark at FactoryCity, and in the process makes a specious comment on trademark law. Responding to my claim that â€œtrademark laws are designed to protect consumers, not ensure a revenue stream for companies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 07:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I largely agree with you on both copyright and patent law, I disagree with you on trademarks - and I don't see a coherent argument in your post. You claim that my description of trademark law was accurate 130 years ago, and then support your claim with examples about patents and copyright.

So I'll ask two questions:

1. Can you give an example where trademark law - NOT patents or copyright - has been used to stifle innovation or damage the interests of consumers (and no, the O'Reilly spat can't be used - the facts of the case aren't exactly clear, especially if you read Tim O'Reilly's response).

2. If trademark law was removed from the statute books tomorrow, what would be the consequences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I largely agree with you on both copyright and patent law, I disagree with you on trademarks - and I don&#8217;t see a coherent argument in your post. You claim that my description of trademark law was accurate 130 years ago, and then support your claim with examples about patents and copyright.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll ask two questions:</p>
<p>1. Can you give an example where trademark law - NOT patents or copyright - has been used to stifle innovation or damage the interests of consumers (and no, the O&#8217;Reilly spat can&#8217;t be used - the facts of the case aren&#8217;t exactly clear, especially if you read Tim O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s response).</p>
<p>2. If trademark law was removed from the statute books tomorrow, what would be the consequences?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Sundstrom</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4522</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Sundstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 22:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of watching O'Reilly being mowed down by the cluetrain while pursuing an oh-so-1.0 stategy is very discouraging.

Cory posted a well-written piece, where he makes some good points, and tries very hard to walk a strait line... but he canâ€™t do it with all that Foo Camp Kool-Aid on-board!  His fan-boy intoxication (and perhaps conflicts-of-interest) were really showing. I was very disappointed. Sounds like he just talked to John B or someone, heard it was "all settled" and incorrectly reported that, without checking. When he posted, most people following the story were aware that the issue had not been â€œresolved amicablyâ€? and permission had not yet been â€œgrantedâ€? as Cory incorrectly reported.

Itâ€™s a shame Oâ€™reillyâ€™s corporate culture isnâ€™t robust enough to guide them through a more reasonable course of action when Daddy's gone.  The C&#38;D letter was an unfortunate, and perhaps understandable as a mistake. However, Oâ€™Reillyâ€™s rude, clumsy, and ham-fisted response, shocked us all, as it seemed to contradict the basic principles of Web 2.0.  This leaves many of us wondering if these people have any real clue about what it is they are hyping.

Timâ€™s back, and apparently not ready yet to come close to reversing course.

Hopefully weâ€™ll see some good come from all this.  It was a great demonstration of the RISKS involved in sending C&#38;D letters.  Web 2.0 has now been exposed as an empty buzz-mark, and has likely been tarnished beyond repair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of watching O&#8217;Reilly being mowed down by the cluetrain while pursuing an oh-so-1.0 stategy is very discouraging.</p>
<p>Cory posted a well-written piece, where he makes some good points, and tries very hard to walk a strait line&#8230; but he canâ€™t do it with all that Foo Camp Kool-Aid on-board!  His fan-boy intoxication (and perhaps conflicts-of-interest) were really showing. I was very disappointed. Sounds like he just talked to John B or someone, heard it was &#8220;all settled&#8221; and incorrectly reported that, without checking. When he posted, most people following the story were aware that the issue had not been â€œresolved amicablyâ€? and permission had not yet been â€œgrantedâ€? as Cory incorrectly reported.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s a shame Oâ€™reillyâ€™s corporate culture isnâ€™t robust enough to guide them through a more reasonable course of action when Daddy&#8217;s gone.  The C&amp;D letter was an unfortunate, and perhaps understandable as a mistake. However, Oâ€™Reillyâ€™s rude, clumsy, and ham-fisted response, shocked us all, as it seemed to contradict the basic principles of Web 2.0.  This leaves many of us wondering if these people have any real clue about what it is they are hyping.</p>
<p>Timâ€™s back, and apparently not ready yet to come close to reversing course.</p>
<p>Hopefully weâ€™ll see some good come from all this.  It was a great demonstration of the RISKS involved in sending C&amp;D letters.  Web 2.0 has now been exposed as an empty buzz-mark, and has likely been tarnished beyond repair.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Final post on O&#8217;Reilly and trademarks</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4461</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Final post on O&#8217;Reilly and trademarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 07:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The obligatory NYTImes article has appeared, Ian Betteridge is still arguing how rightful O&#8217;Reilly is, FactoryJoe (Chris Messina) let it rip and made it clear where he stands as he states &#8216;BarCamp is a community mark&#8217;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The obligatory NYTImes article has appeared, Ian Betteridge is still arguing how rightful O&#8217;Reilly is, FactoryJoe (Chris Messina) let it rip and made it clear where he stands as he states &#8216;BarCamp is a community mark&#8217;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Canter</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/05/29/why-barcamp-is-a-community-mark/#comment-4452</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 02:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on brother - I'm there with you.

See yah at BarCamp - SF with APIs in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on brother - I&#8217;m there with you.</p>
<p>See yah at BarCamp - SF with APIs in hand.</p>
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