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		<title>By: Notes from BarCampRdu,Part 3, Social networking, Social browsing, and Microformats at LIS :: Michael Habib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from BarCampRdu,Part 3, Social networking, Social browsing, and Microformats at LIS :: Michael Habib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] got the discussion roling with by explaining his idea of the future of web browsing and his original vision for Flock. He also made arguments for why the future of browsing is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mozilla Corporate Labs? at A Fool&#8217;s Wisdom</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/07/13/browsers-the-future-thereof/#comment-14478</link>
		<dc:creator>Mozilla Corporate Labs? at A Fool&#8217;s Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maybe, something can come out of it that will lead Chris Messina to shut up about WebKit. Please! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maybe, something can come out of it that will lead Chris Messina to shut up about WebKit. Please! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The future of my desktop at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/07/13/browsers-the-future-thereof/#comment-12011</link>
		<dc:creator>The future of my desktop at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So I have to follow up on my post about the future of browsers, but I&#8217;d be remiss if I didn&#8217;t show off one incredible possibility, pointed out by my buddy downunder, Cris Pearson that got a boost at a recent DemoCamp. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So I have to follow up on my post about the future of browsers, but I&#8217;d be remiss if I didn&#8217;t show off one incredible possibility, pointed out by my buddy downunder, Cris Pearson that got a boost at a recent DemoCamp. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brent O.</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/07/13/browsers-the-future-thereof/#comment-11920</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear with me, because I'm going to sound like an old fart for a second.

I remember sitting in a college computer room in 1992 on a text terminal getting the weather in strange cities via Gopher, and thinking, "Man, this internet is going to change everything."  I had no idea what it was going to do, but I knew that playing Jeopardy in IRC with strangers all over the world was incredibly addictive.

A handful of years later, the internet swept through barbershops like you mentioned, and it revolutionized businesses, advertising, HR, all kinds of things.  It took a few years, but it happened.  Along the way, companies paved the way.  Some rose, most fell, and Netscape keeps coming to mind.

This year, I remember seeing the Flocktails extension, looking at the Flock "about" page and seeing all the microformat contacts, and thinking, "Man, these microformats are going to change everything."  I don't know what it's going to impact, but you're right, it will be huge.

Getting microformats into barbershops is going to be another few years, but it'll happen.  Flock will be the next Netscape, because they'll get the early adopters to push microformats.  All it takes is a few smart apps like HR hiring sites using microformat resumes, and bam, it's going to take off.  I'm not in a position to push microformats in any meaningful way in my company, because we don't have a use for them yet, but I'm itching to find a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear with me, because I&#8217;m going to sound like an old fart for a second.</p>
<p>I remember sitting in a college computer room in 1992 on a text terminal getting the weather in strange cities via Gopher, and thinking, &#8220;Man, this internet is going to change everything.&#8221;  I had no idea what it was going to do, but I knew that playing Jeopardy in IRC with strangers all over the world was incredibly addictive.</p>
<p>A handful of years later, the internet swept through barbershops like you mentioned, and it revolutionized businesses, advertising, HR, all kinds of things.  It took a few years, but it happened.  Along the way, companies paved the way.  Some rose, most fell, and Netscape keeps coming to mind.</p>
<p>This year, I remember seeing the Flocktails extension, looking at the Flock &#8220;about&#8221; page and seeing all the microformat contacts, and thinking, &#8220;Man, these microformats are going to change everything.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s going to impact, but you&#8217;re right, it will be huge.</p>
<p>Getting microformats into barbershops is going to be another few years, but it&#8217;ll happen.  Flock will be the next Netscape, because they&#8217;ll get the early adopters to push microformats.  All it takes is a few smart apps like HR hiring sites using microformat resumes, and bam, it&#8217;s going to take off.  I&#8217;m not in a position to push microformats in any meaningful way in my company, because we don&#8217;t have a use for them yet, but I&#8217;m itching to find a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Why custom browsers suck</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/07/13/browsers-the-future-thereof/#comment-11838</link>
		<dc:creator>Why custom browsers suck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Mesinna (who I don't know but who I gather spent some time at social browser company Flock) had a thought-provoking piece on content-creation tools for the web and the future of rich browsers. I suspect Flock folks are none too pleased that he disses their efforts but I was much more interested in his conclusion that there might really be a future in innovative rich Internet applications built with Webkit which is Apple's equivalent of Microsoft's 8 year-old embedable IE browser control. Using it, a developer can write a rich client application that functions largely like a web-browser but with hooks into the OS for key actions that browsers have traditionally sucked at. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Mesinna (who I don&#8217;t know but who I gather spent some time at social browser company Flock) had a thought-provoking piece on content-creation tools for the web and the future of rich browsers. I suspect Flock folks are none too pleased that he disses their efforts but I was much more interested in his conclusion that there might really be a future in innovative rich Internet applications built with Webkit which is Apple&#8217;s equivalent of Microsoft&#8217;s 8 year-old embedable IE browser control. Using it, a developer can write a rich client application that functions largely like a web-browser but with hooks into the OS for key actions that browsers have traditionally sucked at. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philp Ashlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philp Ashlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said! I had the good fortune of talking with Alvy Ray Smith on the 4th of July and he expressed much of this same sentiment. Artists convey complex concepts in innovative ways while engineers focus more on innovative ways to simply get something to work. Getting better communication between people with different ways of thinking about browsers and the web is a fundamental step in making that necessary synergy actually do something. I see this happening right now with more collaborative approaches to innovation occuring in more physical spaces like the soon to be opened d school at Stanford and the worldwide explosion of BarCamp. We also need to be better at watching the frustration of our parents and young children and every recipient of the $100 laptop project and realize we don't need to change their understanding of the technology, we need to change the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said! I had the good fortune of talking with Alvy Ray Smith on the 4th of July and he expressed much of this same sentiment. Artists convey complex concepts in innovative ways while engineers focus more on innovative ways to simply get something to work. Getting better communication between people with different ways of thinking about browsers and the web is a fundamental step in making that necessary synergy actually do something. I see this happening right now with more collaborative approaches to innovation occuring in more physical spaces like the soon to be opened d school at Stanford and the worldwide explosion of BarCamp. We also need to be better at watching the frustration of our parents and young children and every recipient of the $100 laptop project and realize we don&#8217;t need to change their understanding of the technology, we need to change the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: viperteq</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/07/13/browsers-the-future-thereof/#comment-11710</link>
		<dc:creator>viperteq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I'd like to say that I've been reading your blog from the shadows for awhile and I admire what you and Tara are doing in the Community Space. I also dind your thoughts and insights really refreshing, so please keep up the good work.

Now, the reason that I'm writing today is because I too have been thinking about where the future of browsers is headed. I'm a Front-End Web developer, so to say the least I have a vested interest in what the future holds for the various browsers.

I like Safari. I think it's interface is clean and usable...the only thing holding it back is its JavaScript support. Admittedly, the WebKit team is doing a great job of advancing things on that endeavor, but since Apple only releases upodates to Safari whenever there's a new (major) update to OS X, Apple users by and large won't get to see how far the te4am is taking WebKit. Very sad. I also wish that the developers consider releasing a cross-platform version of Safari... I think the millions of Windows users out there would enjoy using a browser like Safari, but we know that Apple isn't going to do that.

Camino is my day to day browser. It's Gecko wrapped in Cocoa goowey-ness. I love it! No extensions, a pleasant UI, it's light, no memory leakage, sites render beautifully...it's everything that I wish Safari was.

I like Flock. I love the Flickr intergration, the Blog tools, I love the look, the icon is the sexiest one that I have ever laid eyes on......but I can't use it. I mean I do use it...it functions as my Web Control Panel. Using the 'pipe' method Gcal, Gmail, Backpackit, Google Analytics, W3Counter and Google Space (flock extension) share one common window. But I can't use it to do my everyday browsing. Why? The way the developers changed the way users handle bookmarks is atrocious. I have god knows how many bookmarks. I keep them all in a Hierarchal scheme that let's me know where everything is. I am comfortable with this system, it works for me. In fact, I think bookmarks on the whole is one of the few "Web 1.0" things that is still viable and functional. When I imported my bookmarks into Flock, my nice beautiful system broke because the developers felt they came up with a new way of handling bookmarks that was better. Yeah, that's cool if you only have a few bookmarks or maybe you keep all of yours on delicious. But what about the milions upon millions who don't use delicious? I don't mind trying to innovate, but give me the option of rolling back to what's familliar to me if I so choose. This, I think, has been Flock's only flaw. In all other regards, Flock as a browser smashes Firefox.

Of course, there's no need to talk about Firefox because your analysis was spot on. If Mozilla doesn't figure things out soon, that 15-20% that they enjoy now will be gone and replaced before you know it.

I'd also like to say, don't forget about Opera. It's lived most of it's life as the Black Sheep of internet browsers, but the developers of late have really been working hard to change all of that. Its' look still leaves much to be desired, but under the hood, and the rich feature set that it comes with, is pretty impressive. Native Bit-Torrent intergration (how come Flock didn't think of that?), widgets that run inside the browser, thorough customization and it has a pretty secure kiosk mode that allows Sys-Admins to deploy it in public computing lounges and educational institutions....I know because I rolled it out in the labs at the University where I work. Trust me I looked at all of the browsers available for our Macintosh based labs and none of them offered the security and feature set that Opera did. Give it a try, you might like it.

In the end, I'm exicted about what the future holds as far the Web is concerned. I just wish that I didn't have to use five different browsers to experience it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to say that I&#8217;ve been reading your blog from the shadows for awhile and I admire what you and Tara are doing in the Community Space. I also dind your thoughts and insights really refreshing, so please keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Now, the reason that I&#8217;m writing today is because I too have been thinking about where the future of browsers is headed. I&#8217;m a Front-End Web developer, so to say the least I have a vested interest in what the future holds for the various browsers.</p>
<p>I like Safari. I think it&#8217;s interface is clean and usable&#8230;the only thing holding it back is its JavaScript support. Admittedly, the WebKit team is doing a great job of advancing things on that endeavor, but since Apple only releases upodates to Safari whenever there&#8217;s a new (major) update to OS X, Apple users by and large won&#8217;t get to see how far the te4am is taking WebKit. Very sad. I also wish that the developers consider releasing a cross-platform version of Safari&#8230; I think the millions of Windows users out there would enjoy using a browser like Safari, but we know that Apple isn&#8217;t going to do that.</p>
<p>Camino is my day to day browser. It&#8217;s Gecko wrapped in Cocoa goowey-ness. I love it! No extensions, a pleasant UI, it&#8217;s light, no memory leakage, sites render beautifully&#8230;it&#8217;s everything that I wish Safari was.</p>
<p>I like Flock. I love the Flickr intergration, the Blog tools, I love the look, the icon is the sexiest one that I have ever laid eyes on&#8230;&#8230;but I can&#8217;t use it. I mean I do use it&#8230;it functions as my Web Control Panel. Using the &#8216;pipe&#8217; method Gcal, Gmail, Backpackit, Google Analytics, W3Counter and Google Space (flock extension) share one common window. But I can&#8217;t use it to do my everyday browsing. Why? The way the developers changed the way users handle bookmarks is atrocious. I have god knows how many bookmarks. I keep them all in a Hierarchal scheme that let&#8217;s me know where everything is. I am comfortable with this system, it works for me. In fact, I think bookmarks on the whole is one of the few &#8220;Web 1.0&#8243; things that is still viable and functional. When I imported my bookmarks into Flock, my nice beautiful system broke because the developers felt they came up with a new way of handling bookmarks that was better. Yeah, that&#8217;s cool if you only have a few bookmarks or maybe you keep all of yours on delicious. But what about the milions upon millions who don&#8217;t use delicious? I don&#8217;t mind trying to innovate, but give me the option of rolling back to what&#8217;s familliar to me if I so choose. This, I think, has been Flock&#8217;s only flaw. In all other regards, Flock as a browser smashes Firefox.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s no need to talk about Firefox because your analysis was spot on. If Mozilla doesn&#8217;t figure things out soon, that 15-20% that they enjoy now will be gone and replaced before you know it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say, don&#8217;t forget about Opera. It&#8217;s lived most of it&#8217;s life as the Black Sheep of internet browsers, but the developers of late have really been working hard to change all of that. Its&#8217; look still leaves much to be desired, but under the hood, and the rich feature set that it comes with, is pretty impressive. Native Bit-Torrent intergration (how come Flock didn&#8217;t think of that?), widgets that run inside the browser, thorough customization and it has a pretty secure kiosk mode that allows Sys-Admins to deploy it in public computing lounges and educational institutions&#8230;.I know because I rolled it out in the labs at the University where I work. Trust me I looked at all of the browsers available for our Macintosh based labs and none of them offered the security and feature set that Opera did. Give it a try, you might like it.</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;m exicted about what the future holds as far the Web is concerned. I just wish that I didn&#8217;t have to use five different browsers to experience it.</p>
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		<title>By: JulienBDR</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! I precisely share these thoughts on the subject with you.
What a deception in installing firefox 2.0! Ten minutes later, back to the Safari / Omniweb(5.5beta) combo and other webkit goodies (pyro...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! I precisely share these thoughts on the subject with you.<br />
What a deception in installing firefox 2.0! Ten minutes later, back to the Safari / Omniweb(5.5beta) combo and other webkit goodies (pyro&#8230;).</p>
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