Comments on: Apple’s Research & Rip-off department http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:41:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: People Over Process http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14560 People Over Process Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:23:39 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14560 <strong>links for 2006-08-18...</strong> Do Enterprise Management Systems Dream Of Electric Sheep? Hacking systems management (mostly agents?) platforms. (tags: sysmgmt security hacking presentations via:afongen) Chorizo More than just a compliment to migas, it detects security problems in P... links for 2006-08-18…

Do Enterprise Management Systems Dream Of Electric Sheep? Hacking systems management (mostly agents?) platforms. (tags: sysmgmt security hacking presentations via:afongen) Chorizo More than just a compliment to migas, it detects security problems in P…

]]> By: Cote' http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14551 Cote' Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:02:14 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14551 Along all these lines, <a href="http://hartmans.livejournal.com/44273.html" rel="nofollow">this conversation with an Apple engineer</a> is interesting, esp.: "Some day, we're going to screw you over—do something that you really don't like and not tell you about it." Along all these lines, this conversation with an Apple engineer is interesting, esp.: “Some day, we’re going to screw you over—do something that you really don’t like and not tell you about it.”

]]> By: Georg http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14546 Georg Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:34 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14546 Well, I wrote Mail2iCal(ToDo) since I wanted the functionality. After I used it for a while, I just thought, "hey, this might be useful to other users as well", so I published it for free on the nets. Feedback and suggestions from other users made me a better programmer, plus searching for kleinware in Google gives me the first hit, without any SEO from my part. Now, Apple decided to integrate part of the functionality into Mail. This is great news, since Apple usually implements features very elegantly. Finally, I have a working solution without hacking one myself. Though I would have liked it, if Apple had given me credit, I must admit it is a fairly obvious idea. Well, I wrote Mail2iCal(ToDo) since I wanted the functionality. After I used it for a while, I just thought, “hey, this might be useful to other users as well”, so I published it for free on the nets. Feedback and suggestions from other users made me a better programmer, plus searching for kleinware in Google gives me the first hit, without any SEO from my part. Now, Apple decided to integrate part of the functionality into Mail. This is great news, since Apple usually implements features very elegantly. Finally, I have a working solution without hacking one myself. Though I would have liked it, if Apple had given me credit, I must admit it is a fairly obvious idea.

]]> By: A Flock podcast, changes therein; related tools at FactoryCity http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14384 A Flock podcast, changes therein; related tools at FactoryCity Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:56:48 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14384 [...] Note that these don’t suggest that Flock’s a bad idea (it’s not), it’s important to be aware of what else is out there that might provide opportunities to learn from. No Tags [...] [...] Note that these don’t suggest that Flock’s a bad idea (it’s not), it’s important to be aware of what else is out there that might provide opportunities to learn from. No Tags [...]

]]> By: Apple opened some of their source at A Fool’s Wisdom http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14356 Apple opened some of their source at A Fool’s Wisdom Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:27:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14356 [...] Unfortunately, nothing of the Mac OS X “experience” has been open sourced. And at the same time, the concerns continue about Apple’s predatory treatment of independent software developers. [...] [...] Unfortunately, nothing of the Mac OS X “experience” has been open sourced. And at the same time, the concerns continue about Apple’s predatory treatment of independent software developers. [...]

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14354 Chris Messina Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:42:22 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14354 Actually, I did make a proposal: at the very least, to give credit or a hat tip to those who may have influenced or inspired the features, understanind that not everyone will get credit, but that it's important to Apple to highlight, publicly, the contributions of its community members. Actually, I did make a proposal: at the very least, to give credit or a hat tip to those who may have influenced or inspired the features, understanind that not everyone will get credit, but that it’s important to Apple to highlight, publicly, the contributions of its community members.

]]> By: pwb http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14352 pwb Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:06:05 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14352 You complain but don't offer an alternative. What do you suggest Apple do? Pay off existing developers? Buy their crappy software and re-write it anyway? Not add the features? You complain but don’t offer an alternative. What do you suggest Apple do? Pay off existing developers? Buy their crappy software and re-write it anyway? Not add the features?

]]> By: noneck noel http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14349 noneck noel Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:19:41 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14349 PREACH ON! *right fist up in air, head bowed down* though, with the so-called-canrries moving on to *nix styled systems. the last bastion of computing is hardware. it's great that we all have MOFNG hot laptops, but i wonder when will there be a time when we see the creation of OS hardware. PREACH ON!

*right fist up in air, head bowed down*

though, with the so-called-canrries moving on to *nix styled systems. the last bastion of computing is hardware. it’s great that we all have MOFNG hot laptops, but i wonder when will there be a time when we see the creation of OS hardware.

]]> By: veggiedude http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14337 veggiedude Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:39:17 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14337 Virtue Desktop is a free app, it ain't going to hurt the developer. In fact, the developer was taking away money from You Desktops and other commercial 'desktop' apps like CodeTek, but you don't complain about that. The implementation by Apple is the best of all of them. You Desktops came pretty close to the best implementation, but Apple's is tied into the system, so all apps have to behave well with it, so naturally, it is the best way to go, no one can do it better than they. Virtue Desktop is a free app, it ain’t going to hurt the developer. In fact, the developer was taking away money from You Desktops and other commercial ‘desktop’ apps like CodeTek, but you don’t complain about that. The implementation by Apple is the best of all of them. You Desktops came pretty close to the best implementation, but Apple’s is tied into the system, so all apps have to behave well with it, so naturally, it is the best way to go, no one can do it better than they.

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/comment-page-1/#comment-14334 Chris Messina Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:39:51 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/08/apples-research-rip-off-department/#comment-14334 It's important that in this conversation, I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't implement new features. I'm only suggesting that they give more props to the braintrust that is their community -- a few design awards are no consolation for the folks whose software gets absorbed into the operating system... especially since most of those awards go to folks who's apps can stay afloat on their own. Where credit's been earned, it should be noted. Copying will continue to happen, and that's a <strong>good thing</strong>... don't forget that I'm all about Creative Commons. But CC also builds in a mechanism for creators to be given credit, even if not monetarily. And I think that is pretty much the foundation of my argument. It’s important that in this conversation, I’m not saying that Apple shouldn’t implement new features. I’m only suggesting that they give more props to the braintrust that is their community — a few design awards are no consolation for the folks whose software gets absorbed into the operating system… especially since most of those awards go to folks who’s apps can stay afloat on their own.

Where credit’s been earned, it should be noted. Copying will continue to happen, and that’s a good thing… don’t forget that I’m all about Creative Commons. But CC also builds in a mechanism for creators to be given credit, even if not monetarily. And I think that is pretty much the foundation of my argument.

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