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]]> By: Yoz Grahame's Cheerleader http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-16282 Yoz Grahame's Cheerleader Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:40:55 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-16282 <strong>Outbound Filters for those Channels...</strong> Continuing a theme of the previous post: One of blogging's key selling points is the ease by which anybody with internet access can become a broadcaster. BoingBoing is one of the loudest voices against inbound filters that censor such publication....... Outbound Filters for those Channels…

Continuing a theme of the previous post: One of blogging’s key selling points is the ease by which anybody with internet access can become a broadcaster. BoingBoing is one of the loudest voices against inbound filters that censor such publication…….

]]> By: ryan king http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-16238 ryan king Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:17:54 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-16238 Chris, Robert- I'm guilty. Prior to the original BarCamp, I sent email to Robert, trying to convince him to come (and to blog about it). I also jokingly referred to it as Bay Area Rejects. In defence of the first count, I just wanted to exploit Scoble for some free PR. ;) In defence of the second count, its funny. :D -ryan Chris, Robert-

I’m guilty. Prior to the original BarCamp, I sent email to Robert, trying to convince him to come (and to blog about it).

I also jokingly referred to it as Bay Area Rejects.

In defence of the first count, I just wanted to exploit Scoble for some free PR. ;)

In defence of the second count, its funny. :D

-ryan

]]> By: Joe Clark http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-16233 Joe Clark Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:28:16 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-16233 Winer, knock it off, will you? Winer, knock it off, will you?

]]> By: Rajan http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15333 Rajan Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:06:16 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15333 AFAIU barcamp was started as created as an alternative/antidote to the exclusive partisan ( maybe necessary) conference FOOcamp. It is this very nature of openness & distributed made barcamp so very successful. I hve ranted and havehttp://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/ been very sad to note many times in my blog that why is that Foocamp never invites anyone from India, I can't agree that not one Indian soul does not do anything which is not cool to be invited for Foocamp. Until barcamp came out I could only rant about foocamp but with barcamp being out there it made me realize that I could go ahead and create my own version which led me to coorinate two barcamps in hyderabad. So chris barcamp might be in a cozy relationship with foocamp now but it started as an antithesis and also it is no surprise there is coziness because it isthesis + anti-thesis = synthesis. Slight note about the word foo and bar, well they have a history which is much much older than the camps. 'foo’ is used in connection with ‘bar’, it is a WWII era army slang FUBAR( Fucked Up Beyond All Repair) which got later modified to 'foobar' . http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/foo.html Always used to wonder why is it many programming books when define function name them as 'foo' especially the books on Perl and when I found the above history of the word I could not help but smile. :) AFAIU barcamp was started as created as an alternative/antidote to the exclusive partisan ( maybe necessary) conference FOOcamp. It is this very nature of openness & distributed made barcamp so very successful. I hve ranted and havehttp://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/ been very sad to note many times in my blog that why is that Foocamp never invites anyone from India, I can’t agree that not one Indian soul does not do anything which is not cool to be invited for Foocamp. Until barcamp came out I could only rant about foocamp but with barcamp being out there it made me realize that I could go ahead and create my own version which led me to coorinate two barcamps in hyderabad. So chris barcamp might be in a cozy relationship with foocamp now but it started as an antithesis and also it is no surprise there is coziness because it isthesis + anti-thesis = synthesis.

Slight note about the word foo and bar, well they have a history which is much much older than the camps. ‘foo’ is used in connection with ‘bar’, it is a WWII era army slang FUBAR( Fucked Up Beyond All Repair) which got later modified to ‘foobar’ . http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/foo.html

Always used to wonder why is it many programming books when define function name them as ‘foo’ especially the books on Perl and when I found the above history of the word I could not help but smile. :)

]]> By: Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15135 Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:37:04 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15135 BAR doesn't stand for Bay Area Rejects...although it's been kind of a gag. It originally came from the FOO BAR coding thingy (don't know exactly, but that is how it was explained to me and how I understood it). FOO came first and inspired BAR...yes. But, as Chris said, the general consensus was to OPEN SOURCE FOO, not to be anti-FOO. I think FOO benefits from that as well. The entire O'Reilly team was pretty interested in hearing more about it and are very interested in participating going forward (a couple of O'Reillyians have actually been). We talked alot about which weekend to have it, and it seemed like a shame to have it the following weekend when there would be people around the world watching. Although...to be fair, BarCamp happens all year around and in September, there are, like 20 BarCamps...so only Earth happened the weekend of FOO. I, personally, think, no matter what competitive spirit has gone before, what happens now is a real 'hat tip' to the original. They are both very distinct events...and both a beautiful thing. BAR doesn’t stand for Bay Area Rejects…although it’s been kind of a gag. It originally came from the FOO BAR coding thingy (don’t know exactly, but that is how it was explained to me and how I understood it).

FOO came first and inspired BAR…yes. But, as Chris said, the general consensus was to OPEN SOURCE FOO, not to be anti-FOO. I think FOO benefits from that as well. The entire O’Reilly team was pretty interested in hearing more about it and are very interested in participating going forward (a couple of O’Reillyians have actually been).

We talked alot about which weekend to have it, and it seemed like a shame to have it the following weekend when there would be people around the world watching. Although…to be fair, BarCamp happens all year around and in September, there are, like 20 BarCamps…so only Earth happened the weekend of FOO.

I, personally, think, no matter what competitive spirit has gone before, what happens now is a real ‘hat tip’ to the original. They are both very distinct events…and both a beautiful thing.

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15055 Chris Messina Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:14:36 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15055 Heh, ok, well, I don't really remember anymore. ;) I agree with you that "without FOO there wouldn't have been Bar" so whatever the history, it's worth acknowledging that, whatever the original intentions, we've come quite a ways in the past year. Even if we started out feeling jealous, we've created quite the opposite effect a year on, spreading an event model to be jealous of. Robert, I remember your presence at and promoting the original -- so one way or another -- I appreciate your role in getting this ball rolling! Heh, ok, well, I don’t really remember anymore. ;)

I agree with you that “without FOO there wouldn’t have been Bar” so whatever the history, it’s worth acknowledging that, whatever the original intentions, we’ve come quite a ways in the past year. Even if we started out feeling jealous, we’ve created quite the opposite effect a year on, spreading an event model to be jealous of.

Robert, I remember your presence at and promoting the original — so one way or another — I appreciate your role in getting this ball rolling!

]]> By: Robert Scoble http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15054 Robert Scoble Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:03:41 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15054 >we just wanted to put on a good event for ourselves and make it open to everyone That's not what I remember a lot of the organizers telling me back then. And, if that's true, why name it "BAR" (Bay Area Rejects, I just didn't make this stuff up you know) and put it on the same weekend as Foo? But, no biggie. It's bigger than Foo now and you certainly have good instincts not to want to tag it with being started as a reaction to something else, but it most certainly was. Without foo there wouldn't have been bar. >we just wanted to put on a good event for ourselves and make it open to everyone

That’s not what I remember a lot of the organizers telling me back then. And, if that’s true, why name it “BAR” (Bay Area Rejects, I just didn’t make this stuff up you know) and put it on the same weekend as Foo?

But, no biggie. It’s bigger than Foo now and you certainly have good instincts not to want to tag it with being started as a reaction to something else, but it most certainly was. Without foo there wouldn’t have been bar.

]]> By: Kevin Burton http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15052 Kevin Burton Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:08:51 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15052 I though Barcamp was about *crushing* FOO camp!! I want my money back! Kevin I though Barcamp was about *crushing* FOO camp!!

I want my money back!

Kevin

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-15039 Chris Messina Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:31:46 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/28/the-yin-yang-of-foo-and-bar/#comment-15039 Ok, Robert, I take your point from a standpoint of those who promoted the meme that got BarCamp off the ground. I'm just pointing out that the original organizers weren't rejected having never been invited to FOO anyway... nor did we do BarCamp out of jealousy -- we just wanted to put on a good event for ourselves and make it open to everyone. I see what you're saying though and am only recollecting my own experience. Which may be revised from time to time, depending on memory loss. ;) Ok, Robert, I take your point from a standpoint of those who promoted the meme that got BarCamp off the ground. I’m just pointing out that the original organizers weren’t rejected having never been invited to FOO anyway… nor did we do BarCamp out of jealousy — we just wanted to put on a good event for ourselves and make it open to everyone.

I see what you’re saying though and am only recollecting my own experience. Which may be revised from time to time, depending on memory loss. ;)

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