Comments on: The Future of White Boy clubs http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:06:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: countably infinite » Blog Archive » Evaluating Diversity in Unconference Participation http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-101326 countably infinite » Blog Archive » Evaluating Diversity in Unconference Participation Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:20:43 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-101326 [...] One thing I’m thinking about today as we continue to cobble together the details on the SkyTrain Unconference is diversity. This flared up as a topic of discussion in the Web 2.0 world more generally a while back, with many high-profile bloggers like Jason Kottke looking at the gender breakdown of speakers at conferences, and Chris Messina doing the same for ethnic diversity. [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('101326','countably infinite &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Evaluating Diversity in Unconference Participation'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('101326','countably infinite &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Evaluating Diversity in Unconference Participation','&#91;...&#93; One thing I&#8217;m thinking about today as we continue to cobble together the details on the SkyTrain Unconference is diversity. This flared up as a topic of discussion in the Web 2.0 world more generally a while back, with many high-profile bloggers like Jason Kottke looking at the gender breakdown of speakers at conferences, and Chris Messina doing the same for ethnic diversity. &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] One thing I’m thinking about today as we continue to cobble together the details on the SkyTrain Unconference is diversity. This flared up as a topic of discussion in the Web 2.0 world more generally a while back, with many high-profile bloggers like Jason Kottke looking at the gender breakdown of speakers at conferences, and Chris Messina doing the same for ethnic diversity. [...]
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]]> By: The White Man’s Web 2.0 Club | MikeSchinkel.com http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-99377 The White Man’s Web 2.0 Club | MikeSchinkel.com Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:09:41 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-99377 [...] The Future Of Web Apps, I looked around for fellow attendee bloggers and while searching found Chris Messina’s post about the lack of diversity in the speaker lineup.  Several commenters then started getting riled up to the level of a virtual lynch mob with [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('99377','The White Man&#8217;s Web 2.0 Club | MikeSchinkel.com'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('99377','The White Man&#8217;s Web 2.0 Club | MikeSchinkel.com','&#91;...&#93; The Future Of Web Apps, I looked around for fellow attendee bloggers and while searching found Chris Messina&#8217;s post about the lack of diversity in the speaker lineup.&nbsp; Several commenters then started getting riled up to the level of a virtual lynch mob with &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] The Future Of Web Apps, I looked around for fellow attendee bloggers and while searching found Chris Messina’s post about the lack of diversity in the speaker lineup.  Several commenters then started getting riled up to the level of a virtual lynch mob with [...]
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]]> By: Frank Meyer http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-96119 Frank Meyer Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:05:23 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-96119 I think the bigger question is ….why do we need so many conferences about web 2.0? Joern<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('96119','Frank Meyer'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('96119','Frank Meyer','I think the bigger question is ….why do we need so many conferences about web 2.0? \r\n\r\nJoern'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think the bigger question is ….why do we need so many conferences about web 2.0?

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]]> By: ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon » Conferences and Community http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-90581 ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon » Conferences and Community Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:55:10 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-90581 [...] is a shot of Ryan Carson’s feet, taken at the San Francisco Future of Web Apps. Ryan scored some heat over that particular conference, namely because of the homogeneity of his speaker roster at the [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('90581','::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &raquo; Conferences and Community'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('90581','::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &raquo; Conferences and Community','&#91;...&#93; is a shot of Ryan Carson&#8217;s feet, taken at the San Francisco Future of Web Apps. Ryan scored some heat over that particular conference, namely because of the homogeneity of his speaker roster at the &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] is a shot of Ryan Carson’s feet, taken at the San Francisco Future of Web Apps. Ryan scored some heat over that particular conference, namely because of the homogeneity of his speaker roster at the [...]
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]]> By: Deep Jive Interests » Deep Jive Interests: Where DJI Is Going, Launching A New Blog, And Speaking at Mesh (Sort Of) http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-86032 Deep Jive Interests » Deep Jive Interests: Where DJI Is Going, Launching A New Blog, And Speaking at Mesh (Sort Of) Sat, 19 May 2007 17:43:49 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-86032 [...] what with the long running meme of people at technology conferences being perennially white and male, Jeremiah Owyang, Director of Corporate Media at PodTech has drafted a North American roster of [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('86032','Deep Jive Interests &raquo; Deep Jive Interests: Where DJI Is Going, Launching A New Blog, And Speaking at Mesh (Sort Of)'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('86032','Deep Jive Interests &raquo; Deep Jive Interests: Where DJI Is Going, Launching A New Blog, And Speaking at Mesh (Sort Of)','&#91;...&#93; what with the long running meme of people at technology conferences being perennially white and male, Jeremiah Owyang, Director of Corporate Media at PodTech has drafted a North American roster of &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] what with the long running meme of people at technology conferences being perennially white and male, Jeremiah Owyang, Director of Corporate Media at PodTech has drafted a North American roster of [...]
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]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-76698 Chris Messina Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:14:23 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-76698 If white guys were in the minority, I would be equally concerned, as I was when I was in India. But that's typically not the case and not the issue at hand. Proactively making room for diversity is something important to me and worth pursuing; it's fine if other people don't think it's important, but that not the kind of conference or event that I want to be associated with.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('76698','Chris Messina'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('76698','Chris Messina','If white guys were in the minority, I would be equally concerned, as I was when I was in India. But that\'s typically not the case and not the issue at hand.\r\n\r\nProactively making room for diversity is something important to me and worth pursuing; it\'s fine if other people don\'t think it\'s important, but that not the kind of conference or event that I want to be associated with.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If white guys were in the minority, I would be equally concerned, as I was when I was in India. But that’s typically not the case and not the issue at hand.

Proactively making room for diversity is something important to me and worth pursuing; it’s fine if other people don’t think it’s important, but that not the kind of conference or event that I want to be associated with.

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]]> By: Forfair http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-76695 Forfair Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:53:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-76695 What about the straight white guys that truly are the next best person for the conference, but are cast aside because you want to make room for the "diverse" mix? Diversity cannot be "fairly" defined by numbers. Lazy people use demographics to define diversity. Diversity can really only be measured at the individual level. If we're going to use numbers to define diversity, then the NBA is not "reaching out" to "non-blacks". Nobody questions that...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('76695','Forfair'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('76695','Forfair','What about the straight white guys that truly are the next best person for the conference, but are cast aside because you want to make room for the \"diverse\" mix? Diversity cannot be \"fairly\" defined by numbers. Lazy people use demographics to define diversity. Diversity can really only be measured at the individual level. \r\n\r\nIf we\'re going to use numbers to define diversity, then the NBA is not \"reaching out\" to \"non-blacks\". Nobody questions that...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> What about the straight white guys that truly are the next best person for the conference, but are cast aside because you want to make room for the “diverse” mix? Diversity cannot be “fairly” defined by numbers. Lazy people use demographics to define diversity. Diversity can really only be measured at the individual level.

If we’re going to use numbers to define diversity, then the NBA is not “reaching out” to “non-blacks”. Nobody questions that…

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]]> By: Christian http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-74618 Christian Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:26:48 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-74618 It is really already been done??? :-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('74618','Christian'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('74618','Christian','It is really already been done??? :-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It is really already been done??? :-)
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]]> By: A Fool’s Wisdom » If Linux is a Woman and Women in Tech http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-66963 A Fool’s Wisdom » If Linux is a Woman and Women in Tech Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:12:11 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-66963 [...] Messina asked about the future of white boy clubs. Jason Kottke is counting gender diversity at web conferences this [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('66963','A Fool&#8217;s Wisdom &raquo; If Linux is a Woman and Women in Tech'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('66963','A Fool&#8217;s Wisdom &raquo; If Linux is a Woman and Women in Tech','&#91;...&#93; Messina asked about the future of white boy clubs. Jason Kottke is counting gender diversity at web conferences this &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Messina asked about the future of white boy clubs. Jason Kottke is counting gender diversity at web conferences this [...]
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]]> By: Man with no blog : » Where are all the Women? - Gary Barber http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-55568 Man with no blog : » Where are all the Women? - Gary Barber Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:21:32 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/15/the-future-of-white-boy-clubs/#comment-55568 [...] we come to the ethnic debate, the false notion that Internet industry is dominated by white males (Chris Messina). Come on where are you people looking, in countries that the major population is white (Europe, [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('55568','Man with no blog : &raquo; Where are all the Women? - Gary Barber'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('55568','Man with no blog : &raquo; Where are all the Women? - Gary Barber','&#91;...&#93; we come to the ethnic debate, the false notion that Internet industry is dominated by white males (Chris Messina). Come on where are you people looking, in countries that the major population is white (Europe, &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] we come to the ethnic debate, the false notion that Internet industry is dominated by white males (Chris Messina). Come on where are you people looking, in countries that the major population is white (Europe, [...]
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