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	<title>Comments on: Gang warfare, Web 2.0 style</title>
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		<title>By: Microformats + Flash: Who knew? at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/11/07/gang-warfare-web-20-style/comment-page-1/#comment-45732</link>
		<dc:creator>Microformats + Flash: Who knew? at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you thought that semantic web is only good for HTML, well, guess again&#8230; especially with the Adobe-Mozilla deal in place, expect more very interesting developments in the microformats-slash-rich-interface department very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you thought that semantic web is only good for HTML, well, guess again&#8230; especially with the Adobe-Mozilla deal in place, expect more very interesting developments in the microformats-slash-rich-interface department very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Eich</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/11/07/gang-warfare-web-20-style/comment-page-1/#comment-25574</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Eich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris, four points:

1. Adobe may or may not be practicing &quot;business as usual&quot;, but who cares?  The hackers involved are now doing open source, and the code is tri-licensed. Divining intentions is hard and probably pointless; look to actions.

2. Google had nothing to do with this.

3. I personally would love to see more open source from Adobe, to open the implementations of de-facto web content standards such as Flash to the larger community of hackers, testers, and innovators who will define the future web.

4. In my opinion, until Flash (if not PDF) escapes from the &quot;plugin prison&quot;, it will not be front and center on the web.  Apollo may hope to make a break from that prison, but it&#039;s not a browser, and this will limit its reach and depth.

/be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris, four points:</p>
<p>1. Adobe may or may not be practicing &#8220;business as usual&#8221;, but who cares?  The hackers involved are now doing open source, and the code is tri-licensed. Divining intentions is hard and probably pointless; look to actions.</p>
<p>2. Google had nothing to do with this.</p>
<p>3. I personally would love to see more open source from Adobe, to open the implementations of de-facto web content standards such as Flash to the larger community of hackers, testers, and innovators who will define the future web.</p>
<p>4. In my opinion, until Flash (if not PDF) escapes from the &#8220;plugin prison&#8221;, it will not be front and center on the web.  Apollo may hope to make a break from that prison, but it&#8217;s not a browser, and this will limit its reach and depth.</p>
<p>/be</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Miller</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/11/07/gang-warfare-web-20-style/comment-page-1/#comment-25445</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Adobe wants to be front and center in every browser.&quot; Browsers on mobile handsets are growing relatively more important. Adobe&#039;s interest in mobile interface/browser can be seen here: http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/11/07/samsung_black_carbon_handson.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Adobe wants to be front and center in every browser.&#8221; Browsers on mobile handsets are growing relatively more important. Adobe&#8217;s interest in mobile interface/browser can be seen here: <a href="http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/11/07/samsung_black_carbon_handson.html" rel="nofollow">http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/11/07/samsung_black_carbon_handson.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hewitt</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/11/07/gang-warfare-web-20-style/comment-page-1/#comment-25442</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Chris.  This is clearly part of Adobe&#039;s Microsoft defense strategy, specifically against the very real threat of WPF.  I wrote a little more about this on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Chris.  This is clearly part of Adobe&#8217;s Microsoft defense strategy, specifically against the very real threat of WPF.  I wrote a little more about this on my blog.</p>
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