Comments on: The relative value of open source to open services http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:39:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: 451 CAOS Theory » 451 CAOS Links - 2007.04.16 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-98960 451 CAOS Theory » 451 CAOS Links - 2007.04.16 Wed, 07 May 2008 19:27:27 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-98960 [...] The relative value of open source to open services, FactoryCity, Chris Messina (Blog) [...] [...] The relative value of open source to open services, FactoryCity, Chris Messina (Blog) [...]

]]> By: James Urquhart http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-88853 James Urquhart Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:57:23 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-88853 I also forked ActiveCollab into <a href="http://rubyforge.org/projects/railscollab/" rel="nofollow">RailsCollab</a>. In a way i can sympathise with Ilija, as it took me quite a while to port everything across to Ruby on Rails. However i still think he greatly mis-represented ActiveCollab by claiming it was going to always be free. I also forked ActiveCollab into RailsCollab. In a way i can sympathise with Ilija, as it took me quite a while to port everything across to Ruby on Rails. However i still think he greatly mis-represented ActiveCollab by claiming it was going to always be free.

]]> By: Roland http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-86358 Roland Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:36:34 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-86358 Hi Chris, what a nice article and interesting comments. I just want to let you know that there is another fork of activeCollab 0.71 called ProjectPier. I am one of currently 5 people working on that. Right now we are collecting all 0.71 themes and translations and rebrand aC 0.71 to PP to PP 0.8 which will be our first version. Additionally we are working on a Drupal based website at http://drupal.projectpier.org to replace the (ugly) existing website at pp.org. In the next version we like to enhance the tool and simplify it on it’s rough edges :-) If you like to join, please contact us through the Drupal web site. You will be very welcome. Cheers Roland Hi Chris,

what a nice article and interesting comments.

I just want to let you know that there is another fork of activeCollab 0.71 called ProjectPier. I am one of currently 5 people working on that.

Right now we are collecting all 0.71 themes and translations and rebrand aC 0.71 to PP to PP 0.8 which will be our first version. Additionally we are working on a Drupal based website at http://drupal.projectpier.org to replace the (ugly) existing website at pp.org.

In the next version we like to enhance the tool and simplify it on it’s rough edges :-)
If you like to join, please contact us through the Drupal web site. You will be very welcome.

Cheers
Roland

]]> By: Jonas http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-84377 Jonas Wed, 02 May 2007 22:44:46 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-84377 Good article Chris. As Jason stated, Ilija should take his commercialization to a project called "ClosedCollab", not closing the gates ActiveCollab could and would open. Ilija is trying to seize easy money. Matt (Photo) did not. The projects are quite similar and both have a potentially large user base. Buuuut, I am guessing Matt will be the one diving in the Money Bin. Good article Chris.

As Jason stated, Ilija should take his commercialization to a project called “ClosedCollab”, not closing the gates ActiveCollab could and would open.

Ilija is trying to seize easy money. Matt (Photo) did not. The projects are quite similar and both have a potentially large user base. Buuuut, I am guessing Matt will be the one diving in the Money Bin.

]]> By: Jeremy Clarke http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-83299 Jeremy Clarke Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:52:55 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-83299 I think it's important to note that Illija never let anyone actually submit patches and no one else ever had commit privileges. He seemed to always present patches in a way that made it seem like he'd changed them before committing. There wasnt' a lack of interest or community, he just didnt' let anyone do the work they were asking him to let them do. Really, this was just a community driven closed-source application (except insofar as it's a script and thus user-viewable) from the beginning, and Illija just made it official after. The problem is that it did and still does say "open source" on the front page, which is why it got so popular and HAD that community (Dreamhost started offering it among it's 1-click open-source installs, which is an example of a serious advertising benefit derived from aC's open source status). I think it's also important to note , on the subject of potential forks, that Illija literally said that he was dissatisfied with the project as it was headed (up to the 0.7.x mark) and was re-rewriting a lot of it to have a better plugin api etc for the 1.0 release, which would be the next one. Thus, by closing the source at 0.7.x and leaving only the old version under HPL he effectively says "yeah, sure, fork, but it already sucks and you'll just be cleaning up my mess again". A lot of people feel that this is a bit of a cop out because they've been submitting bugs and working with him to improve the sketchy pre .7.x versions only to have the actual fruit be unnavailable to them without a license. Also, is it just me, or is aC really slow? I actually hope that someone just rewrites the whole thing but better. I think it’s important to note that Illija never let anyone actually submit patches and no one else ever had commit privileges. He seemed to always present patches in a way that made it seem like he’d changed them before committing. There wasnt’ a lack of interest or community, he just didnt’ let anyone do the work they were asking him to let them do.

Really, this was just a community driven closed-source application (except insofar as it’s a script and thus user-viewable) from the beginning, and Illija just made it official after. The problem is that it did and still does say “open source” on the front page, which is why it got so popular and HAD that community (Dreamhost started offering it among it’s 1-click open-source installs, which is an example of a serious advertising benefit derived from aC’s open source status).

I think it’s also important to note , on the subject of potential forks, that Illija literally said that he was dissatisfied with the project as it was headed (up to the 0.7.x mark) and was re-rewriting a lot of it to have a better plugin api etc for the 1.0 release, which would be the next one. Thus, by closing the source at 0.7.x and leaving only the old version under HPL he effectively says “yeah, sure, fork, but it already sucks and you’ll just be cleaning up my mess again”. A lot of people feel that this is a bit of a cop out because they’ve been submitting bugs and working with him to improve the sketchy pre .7.x versions only to have the actual fruit be unnavailable to them without a license.

Also, is it just me, or is aC really slow? I actually hope that someone just rewrites the whole thing but better.

]]> By: Shoob » Blog Archive » links for 2007-04-21 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-78220 Shoob » Blog Archive » links for 2007-04-21 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:18:16 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-78220 [...] The relative value of open source to open services Chris Messina revient sur la communauté ActiveCollab, un clône php de Basecamp, dont le fondateur vient de changer ses plans. D’un modèle open-source téléchargeable, il passe à un modèle fermé: ce qui fait des vagues dans la communauté ActiveColl (tags: opensource activecollab marketing community) [...] [...] The relative value of open source to open services Chris Messina revient sur la communauté ActiveCollab, un clône php de Basecamp, dont le fondateur vient de changer ses plans. D’un modèle open-source téléchargeable, il passe à un modèle fermé: ce qui fait des vagues dans la communauté ActiveColl (tags: opensource activecollab marketing community) [...]

]]> By: monkinetic | Blog Archive » The Relative Value of Open Source to Open Services http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-77700 monkinetic | Blog Archive » The Relative Value of Open Source to Open Services Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:09:36 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-77700 [...] Messina posted an exploration of the whole open source v. open services conversation. I’m going to respond here in the near future, but wanted to point to it while it’s [...] [...] Messina posted an exploration of the whole open source v. open services conversation. I’m going to respond here in the near future, but wanted to point to it while it’s [...]

]]> By: Colin Charles Web Log » Blog Archive » Is open source the bubble 2.0 waiting to happen? http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-76778 Colin Charles Web Log » Blog Archive » Is open source the bubble 2.0 waiting to happen? Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:32:04 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-76778 [...] of interest, Chris Messina has blogged about The relative value of open source to open services, in where he analysis activeCollab. This software is the open source Basecamp equivalent, with a [...] [...] of interest, Chris Messina has blogged about The relative value of open source to open services, in where he analysis activeCollab. This software is the open source Basecamp equivalent, with a [...]

]]> By: Living Off Open Source « CodeCorps http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-76761 Living Off Open Source « CodeCorps Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:37:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-76761 [...] Posted by codecorps under Open Source  I originally replied to Chris Messina’s post on The relative value of open source to open services via a comment on his posting. My follow-up was getting long enough that I figured I’m better [...] [...] Posted by codecorps under Open Source  I originally replied to Chris Messina’s post on The relative value of open source to open services via a comment on his posting. My follow-up was getting long enough that I figured I’m better [...]

]]> By: Andreas Gohr http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/comment-page-1/#comment-76755 Andreas Gohr Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:30:42 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/15/the-relative-value-of-open-source-to-open-services/#comment-76755 I did not suggest anything in that direction because that was covered already in the article and the other comments. I'm an Open Source software author my self, and no I can't live off it. You're right about that we should find a way to find a business model that works for open source authors. But closing the source is for sure not the way to go (well at least for me). I did not suggest anything in that direction because that was covered already in the article and the other comments.

I’m an Open Source software author my self, and no I can’t live off it. You’re right about that we should find a way to find a business model that works for open source authors. But closing the source is for sure not the way to go (well at least for me).

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