Comments on: The importance of View Source http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:05:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Ryan Stewart - Rich Internet Application Mountaineer » A Place For the "Open" Web and the "Closed" Web http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-83217 Ryan Stewart - Rich Internet Application Mountaineer » A Place For the "Open" Web and the "Closed" Web Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:48:00 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-83217 [...] catching up with some of my trackbacks I found a great post by Chris Messina about the importance of view source as Rich Internet Applications start to take off. He wrote it as an addendum to his panel at Web 2.0 [...] [...] catching up with some of my trackbacks I found a great post by Chris Messina about the importance of view source as Rich Internet Applications start to take off. He wrote it as an addendum to his panel at Web 2.0 [...]

]]> By: John Manoogian III http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-81293 John Manoogian III Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:55:57 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-81293 Mike: Can you share any URLs of Apollo apps with view source enabled? I'm a Flash developer since the FutureSplash days and I've never seen a Flash asset that was view-sourceable without a decompiler. I'm anxious to see this new capability! Mike: Can you share any URLs of Apollo apps with view source enabled? I’m a Flash developer since the FutureSplash days and I’ve never seen a Flash asset that was view-sourceable without a decompiler. I’m anxious to see this new capability!

]]> By: mike chambers http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-81176 mike chambers Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:51:32 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-81176 fyi View source is possible within Apollo, both within Flash based, and HTML based applications. The difference though, is that it is up to the developer on whether they want to allow it. You can see an example of view source in a Flash based Apollo application in the eBay application. Video here: http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2007/91259.php (toward the end of the video). As far as the error with the TwitterCamp app, that is simply a bug in Apollo (which is an alpha). The issue is that the wrong URL is generated and passed to the browser. This will be fixed. Finally, you can compile TwitterCamp with the free Flex SDK, which among other things, includes a compiler. More info at: http://www.flex.org/ mike chambers mesh@adobe.com fyi

View source is possible within Apollo, both within Flash based, and HTML based applications. The difference though, is that it is up to the developer on whether they want to allow it.

You can see an example of view source in a Flash based Apollo application in the eBay application. Video here:

http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2007/91259.php

(toward the end of the video).

As far as the error with the TwitterCamp app, that is simply a bug in Apollo (which is an alpha). The issue is that the wrong URL is generated and passed to the browser. This will be fixed.

Finally, you can compile TwitterCamp with the free Flex SDK, which among other things, includes a compiler. More info at:

http://www.flex.org/

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

]]> By: Around the web | alexking.org http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-79189 Around the web | alexking.org Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:06:46 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-79189 [...] The importance of View Source at FactoryCity [...] [...] The importance of View Source at FactoryCity [...]

]]> By: People Over Process » Blog Archive » links for 2007-04-19 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77383 People Over Process » Blog Archive » links for 2007-04-19 Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:25:52 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77383 [...] The importance of View Source at FactoryCity (tags: goodenough wpf/e viewsource web apollo flex ria programming) [...] [...] The importance of View Source at FactoryCity (tags: goodenough wpf/e viewsource web apollo flex ria programming) [...]

]]> By: John Manoogian III http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77359 John Manoogian III Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:47:45 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77359 well stated. View-Source is a feature, not a bug, and one that has taught countless people how to code, including me. i've always had uneasy feelings about opaque file formats. from search transparency to mobile compatibility, attempts to "rebuild" the web using new formats with little (R)'s or (TM)'s attached usually ends in tears. well stated. View-Source is a feature, not a bug, and one that has taught countless people how to code, including me. i’ve always had uneasy feelings about opaque file formats. from search transparency to mobile compatibility, attempts to “rebuild” the web using new formats with little (R)’s or (TM)’s attached usually ends in tears.

]]> By: Ming Jack Po http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77326 Ming Jack Po Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:09:58 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77326 I don't think the lack of a "view source" is a fatal flaw (i.e. flash became the favorite toy for young web designers for a while without having a view source). However, I completely agree that having a view source does level the playing field quite a bit on the web. I also learned web programming through the magic of view source! I don’t think the lack of a “view source” is a fatal flaw (i.e. flash became the favorite toy for young web designers for a while without having a view source).

However, I completely agree that having a view source does level the playing field quite a bit on the web. I also learned web programming through the magic of view source!

]]> By: Ian McKellar http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77025 Ian McKellar Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:29 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77025 I think the <i>freedom to tinker</i> is a key, fundamental freedom whose importance is growing as we depend more and more on software and computer hardware. The lack of access to the source code of web services is just as scary to me as the incomprehensibility of .swf files. I expect that Silverlight will be fairly transparent. I think Microsoft have learned the value of View Source more than Adobe have. Adobe has built it's empire on write-only formats. The tool that I think is perhaps more important than View Source is DOM Inspector (and probably Firebug). To be able to look at the running state of the application and tinker with it is more valuable in many ways than just being able to read the source. I think the freedom to tinker is a key, fundamental freedom whose importance is growing as we depend more and more on software and computer hardware.

The lack of access to the source code of web services is just as scary to me as the incomprehensibility of .swf files.

I expect that Silverlight will be fairly transparent. I think Microsoft have learned the value of View Source more than Adobe have. Adobe has built it’s empire on write-only formats.

The tool that I think is perhaps more important than View Source is DOM Inspector (and probably Firebug). To be able to look at the running state of the application and tinker with it is more valuable in many ways than just being able to read the source.

]]> By: Jason D- http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77023 Jason D- Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:13:51 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-77023 Factoryjoe++ Factoryjoe++

]]> By: JRF http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-76998 JRF Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:37:57 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/04/17/the-importance-of-view-source/#comment-76998 Opening a .app package is a far cry from View Source. It isn't really any different from resource hacking with ResEdit. The bundle contents can be as opaque or transperent as the developer desires. The same goes for Apollo or Flex applications. Also the Flex and Apollo SDKs are free as in beer. You only need to pay if you want the shiny buttons the IDE provides. TextMate + SDK work fine. Opening a .app package is a far cry from View Source. It isn’t really any different from resource hacking with ResEdit. The bundle contents can be as opaque or transperent as the developer desires. The same goes for Apollo or Flex applications.

Also the Flex and Apollo SDKs are free as in beer. You only need to pay if you want the shiny buttons the IDE provides. TextMate + SDK work fine.

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