Comments on: Data banks, data brokers and citizen bargaining power http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:32:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Responding to criticisms about OpenID: convenience, security and personal agency | FactoryCity http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-103297 Responding to criticisms about OpenID: convenience, security and personal agency | FactoryCity Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:51:31 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-103297 [...] to worry about services like Pownce being sold or I Want Sandy users left wanting. I have choice, I have bargaining power, and I have agency, and this is critical to the viability of the social web at [...] [...] to worry about services like Pownce being sold or I Want Sandy users left wanting. I have choice, I have bargaining power, and I have agency, and this is critical to the viability of the social web at [...]

]]> By: http://raconteuring.com/ http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-99971 http://raconteuring.com/ Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:25:08 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-99971 The difference between Microsoft and Facebook as a platform is that it's much more difficult for Facebook to make their FBML (the foundation of their F8 platform) proprietary. There is nothing stopping a competitor from supporting FBML in a similar framework. If you do that, then it's a matter of changing entrypoints... The difference between Microsoft and Facebook as a platform is that it’s much more difficult for Facebook to make their FBML (the foundation of their F8 platform) proprietary. There is nothing stopping a competitor from supporting FBML in a similar framework. If you do that, then it’s a matter of changing entrypoints…

]]> By: Silona http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97366 Silona Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:36:46 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97366 See this is so why I wanted you at the workshop in aug... yes data brokers and their roles was a big part of it. I invited both NPO and businesses because I saw both as important to the conversation. And yes I do want banks to take over. It is far better than govt being a single pt of failure. As you stated you can CANCEL at bank acct. They have to address your needs or you take you REPUTATION currency elsewhere. Though I did have a good discussion with govt agencies about this concept of federated identity and multiple data brokers guaranteeing that we don't have this single pt of failure. It seems that most of the people working in govt would like something better. Just hadn't had it offered to them before and the idea of being given a free and working system to buy into was VERY interesting to them. With govt agencies it is the same as the rest of the public - making it free and easy is crucial. also to a comment here - can you trust them? only if they are transparent and use open standards. Then you can monitor them. Don't trust anyone blindly. Your privacy in regards to secrecy is gone. The next evolution of privacy is more about determining rights and legal actions once people access that data. The new AI's that are being developed over psychometric data... yea secrecy is dying. Focus on rights. See this is so why I wanted you at the workshop in aug…

yes data brokers and their roles was a big part of it. I invited both NPO and businesses because I saw both as important to the conversation. And yes I do want banks to take over. It is far better than govt being a single pt of failure. As you stated you can CANCEL at bank acct. They have to address your needs or you take you REPUTATION currency elsewhere.

Though I did have a good discussion with govt agencies about this concept of federated identity and multiple data brokers guaranteeing that we don’t have this single pt of failure. It seems that most of the people working in govt would like something better. Just hadn’t had it offered to them before and the idea of being given a free and working system to buy into was VERY interesting to them.

With govt agencies it is the same as the rest of the public – making it free and easy is crucial.

also to a comment here – can you trust them? only if they are transparent and use open standards. Then you can monitor them. Don’t trust anyone blindly.

Your privacy in regards to secrecy is gone. The next evolution of privacy is more about determining rights and legal actions once people access that data. The new AI’s that are being developed over psychometric data… yea secrecy is dying. Focus on rights.

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97222 Chris Messina Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:33:39 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97222 @Ben: put another way, we named Citizen Agency after the concept of <i>citizens having agency</i>, not the other way around. ;) As for building said data broker: someday, someday. @Ben: put another way, we named Citizen Agency after the concept of citizens having agency, not the other way around. ;)

As for building said data broker: someday, someday.

]]> By: Ben Metcalfe http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97221 Ben Metcalfe Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:57:18 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97221 <blockquote>If Facebook allowed the export of data and became a data broker for its users — provided some citizen agency to its customers — there would be economic — as well as social — benefits to maintaining a clean and rich profile — beyond just expressiveness to one’s friends.</blockquote> A 'Citizen Agency', huh? :) Why don't you guys start this broker, as an enterprise? If you think it has an economically feasable model then it surely it's worth starting? You have the name already! :)

If Facebook allowed the export of data and became a data broker for its users — provided some citizen agency to its customers — there would be economic — as well as social — benefits to maintaining a clean and rich profile — beyond just expressiveness to one’s friends.

A ‘Citizen Agency’, huh? :) Why don’t you guys start this broker, as an enterprise? If you think it has an economically feasable model then it surely it’s worth starting? You have the name already! :)

]]> By: This Old Network » Blog Archive » OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97208 This Old Network » Blog Archive » OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:59:22 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97208 [...] And Chris Messina has been hanging around this space for a while as well and posted two solid write-ups this past week - on data portability and data brokers. [...] [...] And Chris Messina has been hanging around this space for a while as well and posted two solid write-ups this past week – on data portability and data brokers. [...]

]]> By: Tim Waters http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97205 Tim Waters Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:21:22 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97205 An example of a data broker service could be Yahoo's Fireeagle. Granted, it's mainly for a subset of personal information - location. In short, you let fireeagle act as a go between between yourself and applications that want to use your location information. Define permissions and tolerances, such as this application by questionable company can only access my location to which country I'm in. My mates application can read my location to house number level, and also update it. http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com An example of a data broker service could be Yahoo’s Fireeagle. Granted, it’s mainly for a subset of personal information – location.

In short, you let fireeagle act as a go between between yourself and applications that want to use your location information. Define permissions and tolerances, such as this application by questionable company can only access my location to which country I’m in. My mates application can read my location to house number level, and also update it.

http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com

]]> By: Mike(p) http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97181 Mike(p) Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:43:25 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97181 Don't they talk about this in marketing? Being able to withdraw data gives a customer choice. The other part is to feel that you will not suffer a penalty. Its more than about data withdrawal, you might want to put it somewhere else. Data is harder to move to another place, than money. Don’t they talk about this in marketing? Being able to withdraw data gives a customer choice. The other part is to feel that you will not suffer a penalty. Its more than about data withdrawal, you might want to put it somewhere else. Data is harder to move to another place, than money.

]]> By: It’s about interaction stupid! « Alexander van Elsas’s Weblog on new media & technologies and their effect on social behavior http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97167 It’s about interaction stupid! « Alexander van Elsas’s Weblog on new media & technologies and their effect on social behavior Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:08:55 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97167 [...] the social graph and a poor excuse for interaction called a newsfeed. It also brings us privacy and data portability barriers. Twitter brings us easy sharing of thoughts and emotions, but at the same time, due to its [...] [...] the social graph and a poor excuse for interaction called a newsfeed. It also brings us privacy and data portability barriers. Twitter brings us easy sharing of thoughts and emotions, but at the same time, due to its [...]

]]> By: Data Brokers - nice idea but could you trust them | WinExtra http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/comment-page-1/#comment-97162 Data Brokers - nice idea but could you trust them | WinExtra Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:18:05 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-banks-data-brokers-and-citizen-bargaining-power/#comment-97162 [...] just reading through a post by Chris Messina where he broaches the idea data brokers would would as intermediaries on our behave between the [...] [...] just reading through a post by Chris Messina where he broaches the idea data brokers would would as intermediaries on our behave between the [...]

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