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		<title>By: Unit Structures &#8211; Linking Unit Structures</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-99989</link>
		<dc:creator>Unit Structures &#8211; Linking Unit Structures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DataPortability can keep up its shell game for Techcrunch crowd, but moves like Kveton&#8217;s (and Chris Messina&#8217;s) have tremendous influence among people actually building [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('99989','Unit Structures &#38;#8211; Linking Unit Structures'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('99989','Unit Structures &#38;#8211; Linking Unit Structures','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; DataPortability can keep up its shell game for Techcrunch crowd, but moves like Kveton&#38;#8217;s (and Chris Messina&#38;#8217;s) have tremendous influence among people actually building &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DataPortability can keep up its shell game for Techcrunch crowd, but moves like Kveton&#8217;s (and Chris Messina&#8217;s) have tremendous influence among people actually building [...]
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; June 6th blogging - '08</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-99327</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; June 6th blogging - '08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it seems like a lot of people and organizations are quitting Dataportability.org.  I wonder why?  Let see is any of the scandal rags and so-called blogging leaders pick up on this.  This [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('99327','Marc&#38;#8217;s Voice &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; June 6th blogging - \'08'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('99327','Marc&#38;#8217;s Voice &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; June 6th blogging - \'08','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; it seems like a lot of people and organizations are quitting Dataportability.org.&#194;&#160; I wonder why?&#194;&#160; Let see is any of the scandal rags and so-called blogging leaders pick up on this.&#194;&#160; This &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it seems like a lot of people and organizations are quitting Dataportability.org.  I wonder why?  Let see is any of the scandal rags and so-called blogging leaders pick up on this.  This [...]
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		<title>By: Scott Kveton &#183; I&#8217;m for the Open Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-99325</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kveton &#183; I&#8217;m for the Open Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Data Portability project have hinted (both publicly and privately) at leaving. Others have just outright [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('99325','Scott Kveton &#38;middot; I&#38;#8217;m for the Open Web'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('99325','Scott Kveton &#38;middot; I&#38;#8217;m for the Open Web','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; the Data Portability project have hinted (both publicly and privately) at leaving. Others have just outright &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Data Portability project have hinted (both publicly and privately) at leaving. Others have just outright [...]
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		<title>By: Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-98893</link>
		<dc:creator>Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('98893','Nodalities &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; This Week&#38;#8217;s Semantic Web'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('98893','Nodalities &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; This Week&#38;#8217;s Semantic Web','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 [...]
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		<title>By: Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97280</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lays out some issues to wrestle with in 2008, as we try to make data portability [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97280','Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97280','Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; lays out some issues to wrestle with in 2008, as we try to make data portability &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lays out some issues to wrestle with in 2008, as we try to make data portability [...]
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		<title>By: The Burgeoning Openly Owned Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97243</link>
		<dc:creator>The Burgeoning Openly Owned Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Excellent post on data portability and control that captures important issues that we&#8217;ve talked about: [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97243','The Burgeoning Openly Owned Web'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97243','The Burgeoning Openly Owned Web','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; Excellent post on data portability and control that captures important issues that we&#38;#8217;ve talked about: &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Excellent post on data portability and control that captures important issues that we&#8217;ve talked about: [...]
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		<title>By: This Week&#8217;s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97240</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week&#8217;s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 &#124; FactoryCity [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97240','This Week&#38;#8217;s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97240','This Week&#38;#8217;s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 &#124; FactoryCity &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Data portability and thinking ahead to 2008 | FactoryCity [...]
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		<title>By: This Old Network &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97207</link>
		<dc:creator>This Old Network &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been hanging around this space for a while as well and posted two solid write-ups this past week - on data portability and data [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97207','This Old Network &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97207','This Old Network &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; OpenLifeBits - For Your Digital Stuff','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; been hanging around this space for a while as well and posted two solid write-ups this past week - on data portability and data &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been hanging around this space for a while as well and posted two solid write-ups this past week - on data portability and data [...]
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		<title>By: David Blanar</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97151</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blanar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important discussion; I would, however, suggest stressing the distinction between 'privacy' and 'anonymity' - they are not necessarily synonymous.

A transaction online is no different than one in the public square, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and limited expectation of anonymity: some transactions may be public but anonymous: for example, a charitable donation.

If we accept legal, commercial transactions require a legitimate buyer and seller, it follows there will no privacy and limited anonymity - this is by design.  In which case, I would argue the greatest challenge lies in creating a frictionless, common ID system, facilitating all web transactions, commercial or social.  The challenge is not protecting a Facebook news feed, the equivalent of standing on Speaker's Corner and ranting at the rain.

Privacy *is* an illusion; it is therefore incumbent upon us to be mindful of the only relevant question remaining: who is watching the watchers?

Thanks Chris, good stuff.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97151','David Blanar'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97151','David Blanar','This is an important discussion; I would, however, suggest stressing the distinction between \'privacy\' and \'anonymity\' - they are not necessarily synonymous.\r\n\r\nA transaction online is no different than one in the public square, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and limited expectation of anonymity: some transactions may be public but anonymous: for example, a charitable donation.\r\n\r\nIf we accept legal, commercial transactions require a legitimate buyer and seller, it follows there will no privacy and limited anonymity - this is by design.  In which case, I would argue the greatest challenge lies in creating a frictionless, common ID system, facilitating all web transactions, commercial or social.  The challenge is not protecting a Facebook news feed, the equivalent of standing on Speaker\'s Corner and ranting at the rain.\r\n\r\nPrivacy *is* an illusion; it is therefore incumbent upon us to be mindful of the only relevant question remaining: who is watching the watchers?\r\n\r\nThanks Chris, good stuff.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important discussion; I would, however, suggest stressing the distinction between &#8216;privacy&#8217; and &#8216;anonymity&#8217; - they are not necessarily synonymous.</p>
<p>A transaction online is no different than one in the public square, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and limited expectation of anonymity: some transactions may be public but anonymous: for example, a charitable donation.</p>
<p>If we accept legal, commercial transactions require a legitimate buyer and seller, it follows there will no privacy and limited anonymity - this is by design.  In which case, I would argue the greatest challenge lies in creating a frictionless, common ID system, facilitating all web transactions, commercial or social.  The challenge is not protecting a Facebook news feed, the equivalent of standing on Speaker&#8217;s Corner and ranting at the rain.</p>
<p>Privacy *is* an illusion; it is therefore incumbent upon us to be mindful of the only relevant question remaining: who is watching the watchers?</p>
<p>Thanks Chris, good stuff.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97151','David Blanar'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97151','David Blanar','This is an important discussion; I would, however, suggest stressing the distinction between \'privacy\' and \'anonymity\' - they are not necessarily synonymous.\r\n\r\nA transaction online is no different than one in the public square, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and limited expectation of anonymity: some transactions may be public but anonymous: for example, a charitable donation.\r\n\r\nIf we accept legal, commercial transactions require a legitimate buyer and seller, it follows there will no privacy and limited anonymity - this is by design.  In which case, I would argue the greatest challenge lies in creating a frictionless, common ID system, facilitating all web transactions, commercial or social.  The challenge is not protecting a Facebook news feed, the equivalent of standing on Speaker\'s Corner and ranting at the rain.\r\n\r\nPrivacy *is* an illusion; it is therefore incumbent upon us to be mindful of the only relevant question remaining: who is watching the watchers?\r\n\r\nThanks Chris, good stuff.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/#comment-97150</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeremiah: Fixed, thanks! ;)&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('97150','Chris Messina'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('97150','Chris Messina','@Jeremiah: Fixed, thanks! ;)'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeremiah: Fixed, thanks! <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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