Comments on: After Social Graph FOO Camp — and a challenge for the Data Portability Group http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:50:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Money For Nothing » Blog Archive » Where Do You Think You’re Going? http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98900 Money For Nothing » Blog Archive » Where Do You Think You’re Going? Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:36:53 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98900 [...] Data Portability Workgroup is a topic all its own, really. Some say its got no direction, no purpose, and is simply spinning its wheels. Others trump up its importance [...] [...] Data Portability Workgroup is a topic all its own, really. Some say its got no direction, no purpose, and is simply spinning its wheels. Others trump up its importance [...]

]]> By: Chris Saad http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98650 Chris Saad Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:22:53 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98650 Heya Chris - some videos have started coming in.... You can find them here... http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-dataportability-meetup-in-san.html http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-some-dataportability-and-me.html http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/02/dataportabilityorg-video And of course my videos too http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-dataportabilityandme-chris-saad.html You're Open Media Web videos are awesome - Are you going to make one about DataPortability - it was your suggestion after all :) Heya Chris – some videos have started coming in….

You can find them here…
http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-dataportability-meetup-in-san.html

http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-some-dataportability-and-me.html

http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/02/dataportabilityorg-video

And of course my videos too
http://www.particls.com/blog/2008/02/video-dataportabilityandme-chris-saad.html

You’re Open Media Web videos are awesome – Are you going to make one about DataPortability – it was your suggestion after all :)

]]> By: This Week’s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98586 This Week’s Bookmarks at Not So Relevant Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:02:53 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98586 [...] After Social Graph FOO Camp — and a challenge for the Data Portability Group | FactoryCity [...] [...] After Social Graph FOO Camp — and a challenge for the Data Portability Group | FactoryCity [...]

]]> By: Nollind Whachell http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98541 Nollind Whachell Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:41:53 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98541 I concur. Excellent summary Chris. "...but little, (as far as I’ve see) clarity and/or cogent strategy for advancing its expansive charter." Dead on. The group, or at least what I saw of it internally, seems like a hydra with it's multiple heads in conflict with one another, since anyone can join and everyone has their own opinion of what data portability is. To be honest though, with so many people already within the group now, I'm not sure if you're going to get a consensus on anything now. It would probably be better if you got together with people like Tantek and formed your own internal group to collaborate with. Sure people might be upset in not being a part of the group but you'd be much more effective. It's one reason why I'm not sticking my noise into the DISO group. While I'm definitely interested in your advancements and I have input of my own, I'd rather stay out of it for now, thus hopefully keeping your small group more streamlined and focused. I mean if I do want to contribute something, I can always email you and let you decide if it's worthwhile to integrate or not. Therefore, just like any community has varying roles within it, so to should the data portability group have varying roles within it as well. New people should just have the ability to read initially and maybe vote on issues. Over time they should be given commenting ability within certain discussions. Once they prove their comments actually contribute to the group, they can then be given elevated status to start discussions, thus helping to define the direction of the group as a whole. The access rights described in iA's Newspaper Wiki Schematics is a good example of this. http://informationarchitects.jp/newspaper-wiki-schematics/ I concur. Excellent summary Chris.

“…but little, (as far as I’ve see) clarity and/or cogent strategy for advancing its expansive charter.”

Dead on. The group, or at least what I saw of it internally, seems like a hydra with it’s multiple heads in conflict with one another, since anyone can join and everyone has their own opinion of what data portability is.

To be honest though, with so many people already within the group now, I’m not sure if you’re going to get a consensus on anything now. It would probably be better if you got together with people like Tantek and formed your own internal group to collaborate with. Sure people might be upset in not being a part of the group but you’d be much more effective.

It’s one reason why I’m not sticking my noise into the DISO group. While I’m definitely interested in your advancements and I have input of my own, I’d rather stay out of it for now, thus hopefully keeping your small group more streamlined and focused. I mean if I do want to contribute something, I can always email you and let you decide if it’s worthwhile to integrate or not.

Therefore, just like any community has varying roles within it, so to should the data portability group have varying roles within it as well. New people should just have the ability to read initially and maybe vote on issues. Over time they should be given commenting ability within certain discussions. Once they prove their comments actually contribute to the group, they can then be given elevated status to start discussions, thus helping to define the direction of the group as a whole.

The access rights described in iA’s Newspaper Wiki Schematics is a good example of this.
http://informationarchitects.jp/newspaper-wiki-schematics/

]]> By: Chris Saad http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98535 Chris Saad Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:01:42 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98535 Chris, Tantek agreed - I think the discussion at FOO had a very positive outcome and I thank you both for your support. The idea you suggested of video interviews has, as you pointed out, already been actioned. I look forward to more ideas and suggestions! Are you going to be making a video? :) Also, everyone is invited to the DP meetup in SF on Thursday to continue the conversation started at FOO. Chris, Tantek agreed – I think the discussion at FOO had a very positive outcome and I thank you both for your support. The idea you suggested of video interviews has, as you pointed out, already been actioned.

I look forward to more ideas and suggestions!

Are you going to be making a video? :)

Also, everyone is invited to the DP meetup in SF on Thursday to continue the conversation started at FOO.

]]> By: Tantek Çelik http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/comment-page-1/#comment-98532 Tantek Çelik Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:05:11 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/02/06/after-social-graph-foo-camp-and-a-challenge-for-the-data-portability-group/#comment-98532 Chris, This is both an excellent summary of the informal meetup about data portability on Sunday (all accurate per my memory), and a good listing of the issues and suggested ways to move forward. Thanks for the write-up. Tantek Chris,

This is both an excellent summary of the informal meetup about data portability on Sunday (all accurate per my memory), and a good listing of the issues and suggested ways to move forward. Thanks for the write-up.

Tantek

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