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	<title>Comments on: Portable contact lists and the case against XFN</title>
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		<title>By: Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - Can RDF really save us from data format proliferation?</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-103606</link>
		<dc:creator>Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - Can RDF really save us from data format proliferation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or less evaporates via RDF. Likewise if we take the current Zoo of contact formats and our seeming inability to commit to one, RDF/OWL can enable a declarative mapping between them. Mapping can reduce the number of man years [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or less evaporates via RDF. Likewise if we take the current Zoo of contact formats and our seeming inability to commit to one, RDF/OWL can enable a declarative mapping between them. Mapping can reduce the number of man years [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Bond</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-98954</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 07:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW. Is the OpenID code doing V2 discovery correctly? It picked up the lower priority (higher numeric) entry in my xrds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW. Is the OpenID code doing V2 discovery correctly? It picked up the lower priority (higher numeric) entry in my xrds.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Bond</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-98953</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 07:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus One for this post.

Let&#039;s take a moment to think about the poor developer writing applications to consume this data. All they&#039;re interested in is rel=&quot;contact&quot; and rel=&quot;me&quot; (and foaf:knows). When they come across rel=&quot;crush&quot; what are they going to do? Another google search to find documentation of whether &quot;crush&quot; is a sub-class of &quot;contact&quot;, followed by yet another case statement. I&#039;m all for adding richness and extensibility but not at the expense of the consumer developer. If we&#039;re going to have sub-types then perhaps the markup should be doubled up. Put both in.

Chris says: &quot;And, compared with emails for identifiers, URLs are definitely the future.&quot; Well, yes, but, most of the use cases for contact list portability involve matching up what you find with what you already know. Unfortunately email addresses are rather good for that and URLs less so. In an awful lot of sites the &quot;Home Page URL&quot; field is either missing or gets filled with a generic company URL. That&#039;s not a very good unique identifier. But even though email is not perfect people always have to put it in, and most people use a single email address on all sites. And again, it&#039;s not perfect but mbox_sha1sum is a pretty good way of passing the unique email identifier while reducing it&#039;s openness to abuse. It&#039;s unfortunate that there&#039;s no obvious way of adding it to the xfn markup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus One for this post.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a moment to think about the poor developer writing applications to consume this data. All they&#8217;re interested in is rel=&#8221;contact&#8221; and rel=&#8221;me&#8221; (and foaf:knows). When they come across rel=&#8221;crush&#8221; what are they going to do? Another google search to find documentation of whether &#8220;crush&#8221; is a sub-class of &#8220;contact&#8221;, followed by yet another case statement. I&#8217;m all for adding richness and extensibility but not at the expense of the consumer developer. If we&#8217;re going to have sub-types then perhaps the markup should be doubled up. Put both in.</p>
<p>Chris says: &#8220;And, compared with emails for identifiers, URLs are definitely the future.&#8221; Well, yes, but, most of the use cases for contact list portability involve matching up what you find with what you already know. Unfortunately email addresses are rather good for that and URLs less so. In an awful lot of sites the &#8220;Home Page URL&#8221; field is either missing or gets filled with a generic company URL. That&#8217;s not a very good unique identifier. But even though email is not perfect people always have to put it in, and most people use a single email address on all sites. And again, it&#8217;s not perfect but mbox_sha1sum is a pretty good way of passing the unique email identifier while reducing it&#8217;s openness to abuse. It&#8217;s unfortunate that there&#8217;s no obvious way of adding it to the xfn markup.</p>
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		<title>By: Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-98892</link>
		<dc:creator>Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bedroomation &#187; Web things that must die #2: XFN</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-98865</link>
		<dc:creator>Bedroomation &#187; Web things that must die #2: XFN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that he seemed like a thoughtful fellow, I subscribed to his blog feed, and hark! He had written a post the day after the panel speaking of the case against XFN! I’m doubly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that he seemed like a thoughtful fellow, I subscribed to his blog feed, and hark! He had written a post the day after the panel speaking of the case against XFN! I’m doubly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: http://meyerweb.com/</title>
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		<dc:creator>http://meyerweb.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re probably right that, for contact list portability, that&#039;s all of XFN that&#039;s needed.  The rest of what exists in XFN has very little to do with contact-list portability, though.  It was about paving the cowpaths of people expressing their human relationships via hyperlinks, which is a different thing.

So I love that you&#039;re taking the same approach here.  As you know, the Microformats ethos absolutely encourages taking pieces of XFN and spinning it off into XPCL (XHTML Portable Contact Lists), or whatever.  In fact, doing so with a v1.0 with just those two values meets the immediate practical needs while also leaving the door open to extensibility in future versions, assuming new values are found to be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right that, for contact list portability, that&#8217;s all of XFN that&#8217;s needed.  The rest of what exists in XFN has very little to do with contact-list portability, though.  It was about paving the cowpaths of people expressing their human relationships via hyperlinks, which is a different thing.</p>
<p>So I love that you&#8217;re taking the same approach here.  As you know, the Microformats ethos absolutely encourages taking pieces of XFN and spinning it off into XPCL (XHTML Portable Contact Lists), or whatever.  In fact, doing so with a v1.0 with just those two values meets the immediate practical needs while also leaving the door open to extensibility in future versions, assuming new values are found to be needed.</p>
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		<title>By: zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rel=contact or rel=me . Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rel=contact or rel=me . Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick Lyndon Pallas</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/03/11/portable-contact-lists-and-the-case-against-xfn/comment-page-1/#comment-98765</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick Lyndon Pallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are incorrect with regards to usage patterns. rel-me is in a different league than rel-contact, which actually does compete with (in this order) rel-friend, rel-colleague, rel-met, and rel-co-worker in terms of usage.

Q.v. http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-March/011814.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are incorrect with regards to usage patterns. rel-me is in a different league than rel-contact, which actually does compete with (in this order) rel-friend, rel-colleague, rel-met, and rel-co-worker in terms of usage.</p>
<p>Q.v. <a href="http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-March/011814.html" rel="nofollow">http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-March/011814.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training &#187; Some links for light reading (18/3/08)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Design - standards based web design, development and training &#187; Some links for light reading (18/3/08)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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