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	<title>Comments on: Facebook, the USSR, communism, and train tracks</title>
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		<title>By: Why Facebook doesn&#8217;t work for me! : Texas Startup Blog</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99410</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Facebook doesn&#8217;t work for me! : Texas Startup Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Messina wrote the post that explains why Facebook will NEVER have my full attention.  I won&#8217;t bother to try to analyze his post, simply point to it: Facebook, the USSR, communism, and train tracks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Messina wrote the post that explains why Facebook will NEVER have my full attention.  I won&#8217;t bother to try to analyze his post, simply point to it: Facebook, the USSR, communism, and train tracks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SexySEO</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99317</link>
		<dc:creator>SexySEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you know Russian history and you are visual person ;) That is nice :D
&quot;the future of the social web will not be built on proprietary, closed-source protocols and standards&quot; - brilliant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you know Russian history and you are visual person <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  That is nice <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8220;the future of the social web will not be built on proprietary, closed-source protocols and standards&#8221; &#8211; brilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: Back in the USSR &#171; Co-render.com</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99298</link>
		<dc:creator>Back in the USSR &#171; Co-render.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Messina is more granular in his vision of the future, and recently wrote a great post on Facebook, the USSR, communism and train racks. It&#8217;s basically about how the borders of social networks will drastically evolve as the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Messina is more granular in his vision of the future, and recently wrote a great post on Facebook, the USSR, communism and train racks. It&#8217;s basically about how the borders of social networks will drastically evolve as the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Godwin</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99263</link>
		<dc:creator>James Godwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook and its founders want to fundamentally change the way we communicate.  FB believes they can make the tool that humanity will use to start solving the really big problems we face.  As MZ says &quot;we believe the most efficient way to accomplish these goals is by building a business&quot;

Make any analogy you want and the fact remains, as DM pointed out,  Facebook is leading the industry with its vision and execution. The rest of the guys are scrambling to catch up.

Who would you rather have leading us into the future?  It is good, as DM mentions to have multiple alternatives(leaders).  With the life example MZ has set, the notion that Facebook does not want what&#039;s best for the consumer just doesn&#039;t make sense.  Think about it this way, if you were facebook and thought you could save the world, wouldn&#039;t you do everything in your power to make that happen?  As with their platform policy.

There is something very powerful about using a standard system.  What would happen if there were 4, not 1 way of voting in elections? It would be much harder to organize, communicate, and make decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook and its founders want to fundamentally change the way we communicate.  FB believes they can make the tool that humanity will use to start solving the really big problems we face.  As MZ says &#8220;we believe the most efficient way to accomplish these goals is by building a business&#8221;</p>
<p>Make any analogy you want and the fact remains, as DM pointed out,  Facebook is leading the industry with its vision and execution. The rest of the guys are scrambling to catch up.</p>
<p>Who would you rather have leading us into the future?  It is good, as DM mentions to have multiple alternatives(leaders).  With the life example MZ has set, the notion that Facebook does not want what&#8217;s best for the consumer just doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Think about it this way, if you were facebook and thought you could save the world, wouldn&#8217;t you do everything in your power to make that happen?  As with their platform policy.</p>
<p>There is something very powerful about using a standard system.  What would happen if there were 4, not 1 way of voting in elections? It would be much harder to organize, communicate, and make decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Chanezon</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99257</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Chanezon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave McClure: &quot;late to the party&quot;, like Alternative Current came after Direct Current? http://www.nicholasgcarr.com/bigswitch/

We all know how this one ended:-)

P@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave McClure: &#8220;late to the party&#8221;, like Alternative Current came after Direct Current? <a href="http://www.nicholasgcarr.com/bigswitch/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nicholasgcarr.com/bigswitch/</a></p>
<p>We all know how this one ended:-)</p>
<p>P@</p>
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		<title>By: Is Facebook a Marxian Paradise? &#124; Max Gladwell</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99250</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Facebook a Marxian Paradise? &#124; Max Gladwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tactics, drawing our own lighthearted comparison to the Star Wars saga. In a recent blog post, Chris Messina draws inspiration from a Robert Kaplan quote and finds a compelling analogy between Facebook and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99249</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t think the analogy is on target chris.

in this case, i&#039;d have to say it&#039;s Facebook that&#039;s been pushing the technical standard for &quot;train tracks&quot;, and it&#039;s Google &amp; others who are coming to the party johnny-come-lately.

you may argue that FOAF, XFN, &amp; OpenID have been around for while, but it&#039;s exactly Facebook&#039;s implementation (and perhaps LiveJournal before them) that has made some modified form of these features &amp; functionality available to a wide audience.

while i have no doubt that a world of standards would suit everyone better, it&#039;s also true that it strikes me as unlikely that Facebook will go quietly into that night after having spent 3 years building our a very useful &amp; innovative social networking system &amp; application platform (that many others are now copying).

it&#039;s of course nice to think that Facebook &amp; others would come around to an open standards view of the world, but that would likely put more pressure on their already-challenged view of monetizing their [currently free] service.  while i don&#039;t particularly like that they appear to talk nice about standards, i won&#039;t disagree that it&#039;s not really what they&#039;re thinking.

on the other hand, it IS appropriate for any company to defend their position in the market, and i have no problem with that.  if others compete better -- with or without open standards -- that&#039;s great too, it will force FB &amp; others to respond.

in fact, i would argue that it&#039;s actually BETTER for the ecosystem to have at least 2 alternatives; one based on the standards you/others propose, and another not.  that still provides plenty of market for both options to experiment &amp; offer benefit to the community... and isn&#039;t that better for them anyway?

Esperanto might have been a great standard had everyone jumped in.  then again, it probably didn&#039;t offer a lot of innovation along with the standardization.  maybe that&#039;s really what we need -- not just standardization, but innovation as well.  both can be useful.

whether &quot;Russian standard gauge&quot; trains are an innovation or an anachronism, certainly time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think the analogy is on target chris.</p>
<p>in this case, i&#8217;d have to say it&#8217;s Facebook that&#8217;s been pushing the technical standard for &#8220;train tracks&#8221;, and it&#8217;s Google &amp; others who are coming to the party johnny-come-lately.</p>
<p>you may argue that FOAF, XFN, &amp; OpenID have been around for while, but it&#8217;s exactly Facebook&#8217;s implementation (and perhaps LiveJournal before them) that has made some modified form of these features &amp; functionality available to a wide audience.</p>
<p>while i have no doubt that a world of standards would suit everyone better, it&#8217;s also true that it strikes me as unlikely that Facebook will go quietly into that night after having spent 3 years building our a very useful &amp; innovative social networking system &amp; application platform (that many others are now copying).</p>
<p>it&#8217;s of course nice to think that Facebook &amp; others would come around to an open standards view of the world, but that would likely put more pressure on their already-challenged view of monetizing their [currently free] service.  while i don&#8217;t particularly like that they appear to talk nice about standards, i won&#8217;t disagree that it&#8217;s not really what they&#8217;re thinking.</p>
<p>on the other hand, it IS appropriate for any company to defend their position in the market, and i have no problem with that.  if others compete better &#8212; with or without open standards &#8212; that&#8217;s great too, it will force FB &amp; others to respond.</p>
<p>in fact, i would argue that it&#8217;s actually BETTER for the ecosystem to have at least 2 alternatives; one based on the standards you/others propose, and another not.  that still provides plenty of market for both options to experiment &amp; offer benefit to the community&#8230; and isn&#8217;t that better for them anyway?</p>
<p>Esperanto might have been a great standard had everyone jumped in.  then again, it probably didn&#8217;t offer a lot of innovation along with the standardization.  maybe that&#8217;s really what we need &#8212; not just standardization, but innovation as well.  both can be useful.</p>
<p>whether &#8220;Russian standard gauge&#8221; trains are an innovation or an anachronism, certainly time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Kreidberg</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99247</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Kreidberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, good points made and nice analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, good points made and nice analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russian train tracks has nothing to do with USSR, communism and Stalin. They already existed before communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_gauge#Russian_Broad_Gauge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian train tracks has nothing to do with USSR, communism and Stalin. They already existed before communists.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_gauge#Russian_Broad_Gauge" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_gauge#Russian_Broad_Gauge</a></p>
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		<title>By: william fischer</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/31/facebook-the-ussr-communism-and-train-tracks/comment-page-1/#comment-99245</link>
		<dc:creator>william fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears to me that utility was behind the development of the functional spec for facebook and that this may have imposed more structure out the outset.  Linkedin  - not fun but a handy rolodex, was similarly purpose built.  Twitter which seems much more like a proof of concept that caught on, has created an eco-system that is now developing the tools to make it more useful.  If facebook sacrificed functionality for  whimsy, would it have caught on?  I agree that facebook has a bit of an authoritarian feel but in successful free-markets the emergence of common law and core infrastructure are still important, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to me that utility was behind the development of the functional spec for facebook and that this may have imposed more structure out the outset.  Linkedin  &#8211; not fun but a handy rolodex, was similarly purpose built.  Twitter which seems much more like a proof of concept that caught on, has created an eco-system that is now developing the tools to make it more useful.  If facebook sacrificed functionality for  whimsy, would it have caught on?  I agree that facebook has a bit of an authoritarian feel but in successful free-markets the emergence of common law and core infrastructure are still important, no?</p>
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