Comments on: After 1984 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:01:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Benyamin http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100715 Dan Benyamin Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:48:27 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100715 Yeah one of the most obvious examples of this is mint.com -- once I convinced my wife to get past the admittedly scary step of typing in your banking information, the benefit to that loss of privacy seemed easy to weigh: we get marketed by financial institutions anyway, so the fact that the marketing has become more targeted _feels_ like it is worth the loss of privacy for a great personalized service. But I suspect this stems from the fact that it is hard to really qualify that loss, so that you are just weighing two fuzzy concepts...? Yeah one of the most obvious examples of this is mint.com — once I convinced my wife to get past the admittedly scary step of typing in your banking information, the benefit to that loss of privacy seemed easy to weigh: we get marketed by financial institutions anyway, so the fact that the marketing has become more targeted _feels_ like it is worth the loss of privacy for a great personalized service.

But I suspect this stems from the fact that it is hard to really qualify that loss, so that you are just weighing two fuzzy concepts…?

]]> By: david gratton http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100702 david gratton Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:56:20 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100702 I like your idea of using our aggregate data as a type of data based bio-feedback to help modify our behavior for some desired outcome. I would love to know what my overall energy consumption is and how it compares to my community, country and world on average. I am aware from the local news that Canadians are the biggest energy wasters per capital in the world, but it simply is not VISIBLE to me on a personal level. I like your idea of using our aggregate data as a type of data based bio-feedback to help modify our behavior for some desired outcome.

I would love to know what my overall energy consumption is and how it compares to my community, country and world on average. I am aware from the local news that Canadians are the biggest energy wasters per capital in the world, but it simply is not VISIBLE to me on a personal level.

]]> By: Todd http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100696 Todd Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:13:44 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100696 Don't forget the inverted usage: Intentionally publishing erroneous location data about yourself! Project some trouble making, evil doppelganger image of yourself into places that would freak out those spying on you. ;P Don’t forget the inverted usage: Intentionally publishing erroneous location data about yourself!

Project some trouble making, evil doppelganger image of yourself into places that would freak out those spying on you.

;P

]]> By: Unit Structures – Search, Lifestreaming and Outsourcing http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100690 Unit Structures – Search, Lifestreaming and Outsourcing Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:37:14 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100690 [...] paradigm of us integrating ubicomp into our lives).  Chris Messina, featured in the article, delivers another fantastic blog entry, providing a little more background on the [...] [...] paradigm of us integrating ubicomp into our lives).  Chris Messina, featured in the article, delivers another fantastic blog entry, providing a little more background on the [...]

]]> By: Chris Messina http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100628 Chris Messina Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:56:42 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100628 @Stephen -- sure, but the difference is that *anyone* can "spy on" (or surveil) us (many already are) equally. Those who do the best surveilling, and then provide me with the best service, will likely get my business. The difference here is that we're talking about business/economics... to a lesser degree mind-control and skull drudgery. It also opens up, as you know, the possibility for peers to access data about you, and then to know you better, and perhaps to discover things about you that you want people to know. All of this implies being aware and savvy of what you do decide to share or publish on line of course, and that decision should be a personal one. I just think that there's too much emphasis on 1984esque boogeymen than clear thinking or open debate about what's possible now that this data is also available for *us* to use for our *own* benefit! @Stephen — sure, but the difference is that *anyone* can “spy on” (or surveil) us (many already are) equally. Those who do the best surveilling, and then provide me with the best service, will likely get my business. The difference here is that we’re talking about business/economics… to a lesser degree mind-control and skull drudgery.

It also opens up, as you know, the possibility for peers to access data about you, and then to know you better, and perhaps to discover things about you that you want people to know.

All of this implies being aware and savvy of what you do decide to share or publish on line of course, and that decision should be a personal one. I just think that there’s too much emphasis on 1984esque boogeymen than clear thinking or open debate about what’s possible now that this data is also available for *us* to use for our *own* benefit!

]]> By: Paul Watson http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100625 Paul Watson Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:27:33 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100625 Anonymous aggregate data seems to have few costs. Anonymous aggregate data seems to have few costs.

]]> By: Stephen Paul Weber http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100624 Stephen Paul Weber Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:23:57 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100624 By recording and *sharing* data, we are giving others the ability to "spy on" us. We're also giving the companies that collect that data for us that ability. The benefits, in many cases, do outweigh the costs, though :) By recording and *sharing* data, we are giving others the ability to “spy on” us. We’re also giving the companies that collect that data for us that ability.

The benefits, in many cases, do outweigh the costs, though :)

]]> By: Paul Watson http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100621 Paul Watson Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:39 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100621 Fascinating idea that, that we are flipping control. By recording and then understanding our data we may choose better and apply more pressure for others to choose better and for companies to deliver more. Fascinating idea that, that we are flipping control. By recording and then understanding our data we may choose better and apply more pressure for others to choose better and for companies to deliver more.

]]> By: Martin May http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/09/09/after-1984/comment-page-1/#comment-100591 Martin May Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:46:48 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1010#comment-100591 You know that Brightkite has SPOT integration as well, right? Just direct your SPOT emails to your BK email address, and it will check you in :) You know that Brightkite has SPOT integration as well, right? Just direct your SPOT emails to your BK email address, and it will check you in :)

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