<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: What really happened at Ma.gnolia and lessons learned</title>
	<atom:link href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/</link>
	<description>This can all be made better. Ready? Begin.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:41:35 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: sxwv</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-109912</link>
		<dc:creator>sxwv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-109912</guid>
		<description>I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for doing this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nilma Azeem</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-107573</link>
		<dc:creator>Nilma Azeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-107573</guid>
		<description>Very Informative and Knowledgeable Interview.and good tips for new born companies. i forward this interview for my all friends and my orkut list.

Regards

Nilma Azeem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Informative and Knowledgeable Interview.and good tips for new born companies. i forward this interview for my all friends and my orkut list.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Nilma Azeem</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PiddlyD</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-105621</link>
		<dc:creator>PiddlyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-105621</guid>
		<description>I think it is inescapable - there was a level of negligence in developers rushing an application to production without any IT engineering expertise involved. IT engineers, the guy recommending the On Staff Unix geek, the guy talking about backing up his 150GB mysql DB daily, can simply see through this. Those of us who do this professionally for enterprise class organizations know, there are no excuses for failure to protect data - there is generally simply job termination. I suppose, in a bizzare sense, Larry terminated himself. 

This is not &quot;griefing&quot; or being &quot;unduly negative&quot; - it is how IT engineering *operates*. There are certain skillsets you need to bring to the table when you&#039;re dealing hands-on with production environments. This is why developers should stick to the scratchbox machines and not have production access. 

I can see a challenge here - and it is complex. Who regulates who, how, and when a developer with a good idea makes it available to the public, and what is that developer&#039;s liability? We don&#039;t want to stifle innovation, but there needs to be responsibility and accountability as well. Outsourcing sucks, as an IT professional, I can imagine why you don&#039;t want to outsource to the server version of a &quot;puppy mill&quot; where a bunch of nameless IT engineers babysit your server with no real involvement in what it is or what it does. But as a startup, you can&#039;t afford a guy like me to be on staff, can you?

A good place to start, though, is knowing your limitations, and I believe Larry didn&#039;t know his until TOO late. He might have wanted to partner up with an IT professional. Ultimately, that is the problem. Ma.gnolia was running in production but was only 75% thought out. This illustrates the basic failure of the cloud, and while fat, local computing will still remain the most viable, frequent model of computing as we move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is inescapable &#8211; there was a level of negligence in developers rushing an application to production without any IT engineering expertise involved. IT engineers, the guy recommending the On Staff Unix geek, the guy talking about backing up his 150GB mysql DB daily, can simply see through this. Those of us who do this professionally for enterprise class organizations know, there are no excuses for failure to protect data &#8211; there is generally simply job termination. I suppose, in a bizzare sense, Larry terminated himself. </p>
<p>This is not &#8220;griefing&#8221; or being &#8220;unduly negative&#8221; &#8211; it is how IT engineering *operates*. There are certain skillsets you need to bring to the table when you&#8217;re dealing hands-on with production environments. This is why developers should stick to the scratchbox machines and not have production access. </p>
<p>I can see a challenge here &#8211; and it is complex. Who regulates who, how, and when a developer with a good idea makes it available to the public, and what is that developer&#8217;s liability? We don&#8217;t want to stifle innovation, but there needs to be responsibility and accountability as well. Outsourcing sucks, as an IT professional, I can imagine why you don&#8217;t want to outsource to the server version of a &#8220;puppy mill&#8221; where a bunch of nameless IT engineers babysit your server with no real involvement in what it is or what it does. But as a startup, you can&#8217;t afford a guy like me to be on staff, can you?</p>
<p>A good place to start, though, is knowing your limitations, and I believe Larry didn&#8217;t know his until TOO late. He might have wanted to partner up with an IT professional. Ultimately, that is the problem. Ma.gnolia was running in production but was only 75% thought out. This illustrates the basic failure of the cloud, and while fat, local computing will still remain the most viable, frequent model of computing as we move forward.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ???</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-104458</link>
		<dc:creator>???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-104458</guid>
		<description>come back magnolia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come back magnolia!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: friendship7</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103925</link>
		<dc:creator>friendship7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103925</guid>
		<description>the burden of half a terabyte of data.

i understand that burden. i have half a terabyte of data in my macbook although soon i&#039;ll nearly double that with a second drive to replace my optical drive. i use time machine to back it up onto 1.5 terabyte drives. 

i am a professional, but if all my data was lost, it&#039;d just be my ass, few people would scream at me. most everything important is somewhere out there. obviously, if i was taking care of other people&#039;s data, i&#039;d take pains to ensure it was safe. 

i don&#039;t get it. half a terabyte of data. no backups. 

my own personal site uses a mysql database over 130mb in size. it is backed up every day. 

i guess half a terabyte of data is just so much bigger... :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the burden of half a terabyte of data.</p>
<p>i understand that burden. i have half a terabyte of data in my macbook although soon i&#8217;ll nearly double that with a second drive to replace my optical drive. i use time machine to back it up onto 1.5 terabyte drives. </p>
<p>i am a professional, but if all my data was lost, it&#8217;d just be my ass, few people would scream at me. most everything important is somewhere out there. obviously, if i was taking care of other people&#8217;s data, i&#8217;d take pains to ensure it was safe. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t get it. half a terabyte of data. no backups. </p>
<p>my own personal site uses a mysql database over 130mb in size. it is backed up every day. </p>
<p>i guess half a terabyte of data is just so much bigger&#8230; :p</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103831</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103831</guid>
		<description>I am with Don Park. Very curious as to what happened since you hinted in the video that it wasn&#039;t hardware and it was due to some data corruption.

Larry, could you at least let us know if you felt it was due to some MySQL specific issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Don Park. Very curious as to what happened since you hinted in the video that it wasn&#8217;t hardware and it was due to some data corruption.</p>
<p>Larry, could you at least let us know if you felt it was due to some MySQL specific issues?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thomas Vander Wal</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103826</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Vander Wal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103826</guid>
		<description>This is excellent! Thank you for sharing, lessons learned are one of the rare gems that are not shared enough or listened to. 

There are also great nuggets of information in this are a broad array of subjects.

I am missing Ma.gnolia, but I like the idea of an iTunes Genius for bookmarks to aggregate link lists (similar to DevonThink, but in my context) and other new related materials I have not seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is excellent! Thank you for sharing, lessons learned are one of the rare gems that are not shared enough or listened to. </p>
<p>There are also great nuggets of information in this are a broad array of subjects.</p>
<p>I am missing Ma.gnolia, but I like the idea of an iTunes Genius for bookmarks to aggregate link lists (similar to DevonThink, but in my context) and other new related materials I have not seen.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103825</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103825</guid>
		<description>Outsourcing is about the worst mistake you can make. Your best bet is to hire a unix geek, one who built a home network incorporating as many enterprise features as they could &quot;for fun.&quot; Even a few years ago when magnol.ia started there were VPS&#039;s and managed hosting with automated backups. A good unix geek will know about those and be able to find one at a reasonable price.

Outsourcing means you pay more everytime you need something different. Having your own unix geek on staff means you have someone who has a vested interest in keeping things going at lower cost, who can identify when your current resources are sufficient to do that new thing you want to do, and most importantly can identify when you can turn things costing you money off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsourcing is about the worst mistake you can make. Your best bet is to hire a unix geek, one who built a home network incorporating as many enterprise features as they could &#8220;for fun.&#8221; Even a few years ago when magnol.ia started there were VPS&#8217;s and managed hosting with automated backups. A good unix geek will know about those and be able to find one at a reasonable price.</p>
<p>Outsourcing means you pay more everytime you need something different. Having your own unix geek on staff means you have someone who has a vested interest in keeping things going at lower cost, who can identify when your current resources are sufficient to do that new thing you want to do, and most importantly can identify when you can turn things costing you money off.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Neils Brooks</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103822</link>
		<dc:creator>Neils Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103822</guid>
		<description>Better late than never. Thanks Larry for granting us insight into the loss of our bookmarks. It&#039;s good to hear you take responsibility and provide details. I&#039;m really looking forward to using ma.gnolia again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better late than never. Thanks Larry for granting us insight into the loss of our bookmarks. It&#8217;s good to hear you take responsibility and provide details. I&#8217;m really looking forward to using ma.gnolia again!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Colin Consterdine</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/02/16/what-really-happened-at-magnolia-and-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-103821</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Consterdine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-103821</guid>
		<description>Delicious isn&#039;t the heavyweight because of Yahoo&#039;s involvement, it&#039;s there because it has legacy, credibility and stability. Those of us who used it when it was del.icio.us trusted it then and trust it now. I did use ma.gnolia but it never had &#039;stickability&#039; for me.

If nothing else this frank and illuminating interview reveals the &#039;smoke and mirrors&#039; nature of emerging social technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delicious isn&#8217;t the heavyweight because of Yahoo&#8217;s involvement, it&#8217;s there because it has legacy, credibility and stability. Those of us who used it when it was del.icio.us trusted it then and trust it now. I did use ma.gnolia but it never had &#8217;stickability&#8217; for me.</p>
<p>If nothing else this frank and illuminating interview reveals the &#8217;smoke and mirrors&#8217; nature of emerging social technology.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
