Comments on: Generation Open http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/ This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:24:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Paul Walker http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104155 Paul Walker Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:00:31 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104155 Hi Chris! I really don't get the vanity URI vs realname debate here. I guess I don't see a distinction. There is nothing that prevents people from using their "real name" in their vanity URI right? You can be lucky to have www.givenfamily.com or use www.provider.com/givenfamily. Certainly, FB has been ahead of the game with getting real names and identities, but is it really fair to throw MySpace under the bus for initiating the idea of an online identity to the common public? The irony is that you have changed your twitter URI and, while being excited about that, let's not lose perspective. ~paul http://www.paulwalker.tv http://www.myspace.com/myspacepaul http://www.twitter.com/pjwal http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=565823827 ;-) Hi Chris!

I really don’t get the vanity URI vs realname debate here. I guess I don’t see a distinction. There is nothing that prevents people from using their “real name” in their vanity URI right?

You can be lucky to have http://www.givenfamily.com or use http://www.provider.com/givenfamily. Certainly, FB has been ahead of the game with getting real names and identities, but is it really fair to throw MySpace under the bus for initiating the idea of an online identity to the common public?

The irony is that you have changed your twitter URI and, while being excited about that, let’s not lose perspective.

~paul
http://www.paulwalker.tv
http://www.myspace.com/myspacepaul
http://www.twitter.com/pjwal
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=565823827

;-)

]]> By: Patricia http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104047 Patricia Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:45:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104047 No offense, but when i see articles like this, I realize how really super niave the world is about the internet. No offense, but when i see articles like this, I realize how really super niave the world is about the internet.

]]> By: Michele Nicholls http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104028 Michele Nicholls Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:29:13 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104028 As a mere 61 year-old bumbler on the net, I stumbled on this through my new (and delightful) Twitter account, which I joined as a result of being urged by a similarly aging Facebook friend. As BobLQ says, rebels and revolutionaries are rarely aware of those who have gone before along the same road ;) Not all of us of the post war generation are paranoid, most of us are in awe at the achievements of the young, and delight in the doors you have opened, not just in our minds, but in our lives. If you do the right research (try Bob Dylan, Joan Baez) you will find we were fighting for the same openness and caring way back when. Altruism is a survival mechanism, not a virtue, if you don't give you don't get, and hoarding equals building your own prison - sadly, each generation seems to need to learn this lesson anew ;( As a mere 61 year-old bumbler on the net, I stumbled on this through my new (and delightful) Twitter account, which I joined as a result of being urged by a similarly aging Facebook friend. As BobLQ says, rebels and revolutionaries are rarely aware of those who have gone before along the same road ;) Not all of us of the post war generation are paranoid, most of us are in awe at the achievements of the young, and delight in the doors you have opened, not just in our minds, but in our lives. If you do the right research (try Bob Dylan, Joan Baez) you will find we were fighting for the same openness and caring way back when.

Altruism is a survival mechanism, not a virtue, if you don’t give you don’t get, and hoarding equals building your own prison – sadly, each generation seems to need to learn this lesson anew ;(

]]> By: BobLQ http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104016 BobLQ Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:17:26 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104016 Andreas: Great reference. My favorites followed the Futurists, The Dadaist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaism and then Jean Tiguely, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Tinguely More often than not though the rebels and revolutionaries are ignorant of their antecedents. I confess I was. I say though, "Good luck to these young people." BobLQ Andreas: Great reference. My favorites followed the Futurists, The Dadaist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaism and then Jean Tiguely, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Tinguely

More often than not though the rebels and revolutionaries are ignorant of their antecedents. I confess I was.

I say though, “Good luck to these young people.”

BobLQ

]]> By: Jake http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104015 Jake Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:40:07 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104015 "What Facebook is attempting — like the Obama administration in parallel — is nothing short of a revolution; you simply can’t evolve out of a culture of fear and paranoia that was passed down to us. " What *IS* Facebook attempting? Your thesis in this post isn't clear. Yes, transparency is a good thing in government. Transparency with regards to the smelly kid next to you in class who you felt guilty not friending is not such a good thing. It seems like you're lumping transparency of data / practices - like in the the realm of government - with transparency of thoughts / feelings / other personal items - id est, exhibitionism. While these two different tracts certainly dovetail at certain points, I would argue they are separate and distinctly different, and should be treated as such. I think you will always find people who are uncomfortable putting their lives on blast - and they're made even more uncomfortable by the shifting mindset that you're EXPECTED to put everything out in the open. I'm not saying this is a poisonous attitude that we're moving towards, but temperance isn't a bad check to have in this mad-dash rush to put everything on the web. I'm also confused as to what your anecdotes about Al-Qaeda, Katrina location services, and cell network outages has to do with this whole concept of transparency. Yes, with the decline of major super-powers our military has to readjust to guerrilla tactics - what does that have to do with your post? The power of individuals banding together, extra-governmentally, to get something done has been seen for centuries in this country, so what does the Katrina situation say to your post beyond "the internet reduces distance and collects information"? And since when has the control over a finite resource / service by a few powerful corporations NOT been railed against (or, alternatively, that the flaws in this model not been exposed)? I like where you were going with this post and I completely understand that it's just a blog, not a journal article. I'd love to see a second version of this. “What Facebook is attempting — like the Obama administration in parallel — is nothing short of a revolution; you simply can’t evolve out of a culture of fear and paranoia that was passed down to us. ”

What *IS* Facebook attempting? Your thesis in this post isn’t clear.

Yes, transparency is a good thing in government. Transparency with regards to the smelly kid next to you in class who you felt guilty not friending is not such a good thing.

It seems like you’re lumping transparency of data / practices – like in the the realm of government – with transparency of thoughts / feelings / other personal items – id est, exhibitionism. While these two different tracts certainly dovetail at certain points, I would argue they are separate and distinctly different, and should be treated as such.

I think you will always find people who are uncomfortable putting their lives on blast – and they’re made even more uncomfortable by the shifting mindset that you’re EXPECTED to put everything out in the open.

I’m not saying this is a poisonous attitude that we’re moving towards, but temperance isn’t a bad check to have in this mad-dash rush to put everything on the web.

I’m also confused as to what your anecdotes about Al-Qaeda, Katrina location services, and cell network outages has to do with this whole concept of transparency. Yes, with the decline of major super-powers our military has to readjust to guerrilla tactics – what does that have to do with your post? The power of individuals banding together, extra-governmentally, to get something done has been seen for centuries in this country, so what does the Katrina situation say to your post beyond “the internet reduces distance and collects information”? And since when has the control over a finite resource / service by a few powerful corporations NOT been railed against (or, alternatively, that the flaws in this model not been exposed)?

I like where you were going with this post and I completely understand that it’s just a blog, not a journal article. I’d love to see a second version of this.

]]> By: James Littlejohn http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104014 James Littlejohn Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:54:25 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104014 A great pull together on the big picture of society evolution and the daily detail of openness implementation. They will be using this post in history classes someday. A great pull together on the big picture of society evolution and the daily detail of openness implementation. They will be using this post in history classes someday.

]]> By: bob smith http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104013 bob smith Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:09:43 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104013 what a bunch of crap. Zuck is a loser - wait until Facebook files for bankruptcy in 2009 - then see who owns your "data" what a bunch of crap. Zuck is a loser – wait until Facebook files for bankruptcy in 2009 – then see who owns your “data”

]]> By: Michal Migurski http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104010 Michal Migurski Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:32:22 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104010 Sounds great, but *Facebook* ? It's only been a few short years since everything Google did was a revolutionary insurrection against evil, now that they have a homestead to defend and a tighter grip on our day-to-day, they're viewed with a bit more rightful suspicion. As others above have pointed out, the attitude you describe is the default stance of those with nothing to lose; "proprietariness” and “materialism" both result from investment in property, or the status quo. Jared's right, FB's power comes solely from its userbase, and it's in their interest to keep that userbase fragmented and satisfied. Bob's right too, this particular push/pull between the status quo and the new generation of the moment is the only given. Sounds great, but *Facebook* ? It’s only been a few short years since everything Google did was a revolutionary insurrection against evil, now that they have a homestead to defend and a tighter grip on our day-to-day, they’re viewed with a bit more rightful suspicion. As others above have pointed out, the attitude you describe is the default stance of those with nothing to lose; “proprietariness” and “materialism” both result from investment in property, or the status quo. Jared’s right, FB’s power comes solely from its userbase, and it’s in their interest to keep that userbase fragmented and satisfied. Bob’s right too, this particular push/pull between the status quo and the new generation of the moment is the only given.

]]> By: Alex Housley http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104006 Alex Housley Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:19:49 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104006 The next challenge is for parts of the world that are not yet so open to embrace the social web as a force for positive communication and change. Corrupt governments/leaders have every reason to fear this movement since it contradicts the dated control mechanisms they have in place. We're lucky to be living in such an exciting time. Services such as Facebook & Twitter must continue to set the highest standards when it comes to openness without sacrificing privacy where so desired. I'm pleased with Facebook's response to the recent controversial change of content ownership terms. Keep rocking! The next challenge is for parts of the world that are not yet so open to embrace the social web as a force for positive communication and change. Corrupt governments/leaders have every reason to fear this movement since it contradicts the dated control mechanisms they have in place.

We’re lucky to be living in such an exciting time. Services such as Facebook & Twitter must continue to set the highest standards when it comes to openness without sacrificing privacy where so desired.

I’m pleased with Facebook’s response to the recent controversial change of content ownership terms. Keep rocking!

]]> By: Andreas L. http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/03/04/generation-open/comment-page-1/#comment-104005 Andreas L. Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:28:32 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=1256#comment-104005 Bob: and have you ever heard of futurism (1904)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism_(art) -- give a look at their manifesto. Bob: and have you ever heard of futurism (1904)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism_(art) — give a look at their manifesto.

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