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	<title>Comments on: Stowe Boyd launches Microsyntax.org</title>
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		<title>By: New microsyntax for Twitter: three pointers and the slasher &#171; LocalLab : Foire aux Infos</title>
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		<dc:creator>New microsyntax for Twitter: three pointers and the slasher &#171; LocalLab : Foire aux Infos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and invite you to do so as well when it makes sense. If you have your own ideas for microsyntax, Stowe Boyd started a wiki a while back to document them, so feel free to contribute your own or improve or use the ones already proposed!  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and invite you to do so as well when it makes sense. If you have your own ideas for microsyntax, Stowe Boyd started a wiki a while back to document them, so feel free to contribute your own or improve or use the ones already proposed!  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tatahasa yen</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105495</link>
		<dc:creator>tatahasa yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 05:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward ur update, hoping learn more from anything of you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward ur update, hoping learn more from anything of you</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Sterling</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105468</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be following these efforts with keen interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be following these efforts with keen interest.</p>
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		<title>By: David Horn</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105466</link>
		<dc:creator>David Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, and I can only agree, since adding more structure to tweets makes data mining easier.

Something worth pointing out is that # and @ got their start when the service was still rather young and most users were technologically affluent. Disseminating structs throughout the system, I think, will be much harder now, though I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve considered this. Maybe if you got Ashton Kutcher to adopt new microsyntax...

I&#039;m very curious about how you plan to evaluate the success of proposals. I&#039;d love to get into a deeper discussion on that sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, and I can only agree, since adding more structure to tweets makes data mining easier.</p>
<p>Something worth pointing out is that # and @ got their start when the service was still rather young and most users were technologically affluent. Disseminating structs throughout the system, I think, will be much harder now, though I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve considered this. Maybe if you got Ashton Kutcher to adopt new microsyntax&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very curious about how you plan to evaluate the success of proposals. I&#8217;d love to get into a deeper discussion on that sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Fast</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105456</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decent post, Chris. I also look forward to microsyntax.org as a means for furthering the discussion.

You mention adoption as the critical factor in success, and I agree. But there are many barriers to adoption, not just going against what people do. The history of technology is that people change what they do when a technology allows them to do something they could not do before.

Though I think there are a number of reasons for the failure of many (most?) microformats, one certainly has to be the fact that they are all complex, one-off efforts with few underlying technical themes. As an implementer of any application that might consume a microformat, I have to weigh the implementation cost with the value. Unfortunately, it hasn&#039;t been demonstrated that most microformats provide enough value to end users to justify that work.

On the other hand (and not discounting the nightmare that it can be), XML makes it easy for applications to consume arbitrary data. Interpreting that data is certainly another problem that is complex on its own (e.g. understanding an XML Schema document or a WSDL), but at least getting an application to read the data and turn it into an abstract representation is trivial. Once applications can easily consume data--and the easier the better--one significant barrier to adoption is removed and the opportunity for users to find value opens up.

The ability to embed arbitrary, structured data in message streams, on Twitter et al., IM, SMS, email, and beyond, is unquestionably useful, and the way this is done has to be easy and useful to both application providers and end users. This is exactly the reason why I and several others have proposed the Twitter Data specification (http://twitterdata.org), with the goal of providing a formal means for embedding arbitrary data in Twitter messages in a way that works nicely for people and machines, in a way that is searchable, and a way that is open enough to build higher-level constructs on top (e.g. semantic triples). Without this formality, it&#039;s a free-for-all, and implementation of any particular micro-/nano-/pico- format is increasingly unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent post, Chris. I also look forward to microsyntax.org as a means for furthering the discussion.</p>
<p>You mention adoption as the critical factor in success, and I agree. But there are many barriers to adoption, not just going against what people do. The history of technology is that people change what they do when a technology allows them to do something they could not do before.</p>
<p>Though I think there are a number of reasons for the failure of many (most?) microformats, one certainly has to be the fact that they are all complex, one-off efforts with few underlying technical themes. As an implementer of any application that might consume a microformat, I have to weigh the implementation cost with the value. Unfortunately, it hasn&#8217;t been demonstrated that most microformats provide enough value to end users to justify that work.</p>
<p>On the other hand (and not discounting the nightmare that it can be), XML makes it easy for applications to consume arbitrary data. Interpreting that data is certainly another problem that is complex on its own (e.g. understanding an XML Schema document or a WSDL), but at least getting an application to read the data and turn it into an abstract representation is trivial. Once applications can easily consume data&#8211;and the easier the better&#8211;one significant barrier to adoption is removed and the opportunity for users to find value opens up.</p>
<p>The ability to embed arbitrary, structured data in message streams, on Twitter et al., IM, SMS, email, and beyond, is unquestionably useful, and the way this is done has to be easy and useful to both application providers and end users. This is exactly the reason why I and several others have proposed the Twitter Data specification (<a href="http://twitterdata.org" rel="nofollow">http://twitterdata.org</a>), with the goal of providing a formal means for embedding arbitrary data in Twitter messages in a way that works nicely for people and machines, in a way that is searchable, and a way that is open enough to build higher-level constructs on top (e.g. semantic triples). Without this formality, it&#8217;s a free-for-all, and implementation of any particular micro-/nano-/pico- format is increasingly unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lewkowitz</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105443</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lewkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Chris and like the approach. I also think what we need to consider is that what&#039;s actually emerging is a new medium based on public micro-messages. Not only is this medium leading to the real-time web but it with its &#039;micro&#039; and &#039;public&#039; attributes it has the potential to be the most accessible and participatory public medium in history. 

While most attention has been on the commercial application which is beginning to deliver on some practical use cases, the potential for social impact is huge. There is a big opportunity to consider this in the early stages of protocol, standards, and infrastructure and keep an eye to optimizing it for public benefit. This goes squarely back to the spirit with which the web was created and the greatest need the web can serve tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Chris and like the approach. I also think what we need to consider is that what&#8217;s actually emerging is a new medium based on public micro-messages. Not only is this medium leading to the real-time web but it with its &#8216;micro&#8217; and &#8216;public&#8217; attributes it has the potential to be the most accessible and participatory public medium in history. </p>
<p>While most attention has been on the commercial application which is beginning to deliver on some practical use cases, the potential for social impact is huge. There is a big opportunity to consider this in the early stages of protocol, standards, and infrastructure and keep an eye to optimizing it for public benefit. This goes squarely back to the spirit with which the web was created and the greatest need the web can serve tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Odin Omdal Hørthe / Velmont</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105441</link>
		<dc:creator>Odin Omdal Hørthe / Velmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that Laconica is a possible test bed for much of it. And the whole Identi.ca community is technical and quick uptakers of stuff. For people-testing :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that Laconica is a possible test bed for much of it. And the whole Identi.ca community is technical and quick uptakers of stuff. For people-testing <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nate Ritter</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/05/26/stowe-boyd-launches-microsyntax-org/comment-page-1/#comment-105440</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had more intelligent things to say other than I fully concur.  Specifically, the idea that execution of ideas in the wild because of lack of adoption is why they ultimately fail.  That&#039;s true both in the context you&#039;re talking about here as well as business in general.  This is where I insert Eric Ries&#039; name and jump the shark.

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re on that board Chris. Keep up the good work/advocacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had more intelligent things to say other than I fully concur.  Specifically, the idea that execution of ideas in the wild because of lack of adoption is why they ultimately fail.  That&#8217;s true both in the context you&#8217;re talking about here as well as business in general.  This is where I insert Eric Ries&#8217; name and jump the shark.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re on that board Chris. Keep up the good work/advocacy.</p>
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