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		<title>By: Marc's Voice &#187; Back Home blogging&#8230;.. Oct. 1, 2009</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-110575</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc's Voice &#187; Back Home blogging&#8230;.. Oct. 1, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hardy</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-110231</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well, I don&#039;t suppose it matters especially, Chris :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well, I don&#8217;t suppose it matters especially, Chris <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-110226</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pete: Interesting, thanks for the link to the slidedeck.

@Lachlan: I&#039;m still missing your point I think... The point is not that we&#039;ve arrived necessarily — more that we&#039;re in transition, and we&#039;re trying to explain/capture what&#039;s at the heart of that transition. Of course, it&#039;s always hard to write history as it&#039;s happening, but this is our nearest understanding at the moment (subject to change of course!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pete: Interesting, thanks for the link to the slidedeck.</p>
<p>@Lachlan: I&#8217;m still missing your point I think&#8230; The point is not that we&#8217;ve arrived necessarily — more that we&#8217;re in transition, and we&#8217;re trying to explain/capture what&#8217;s at the heart of that transition. Of course, it&#8217;s always hard to write history as it&#8217;s happening, but this is our nearest understanding at the moment (subject to change of course!).</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hardy</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-110221</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Kaliya, poorly phrased on my part. I am familiar (and in awe) of the work you mention and your part in it.

I meant that the article basically implies that typical users of the web had some gaping hole in their experience that and it wasn&#039;t filled until relatively recently, but now everything&#039;s okay and we&#039;re in the future. Like there are certain states the web must achieve somehow.

I guess looking back at it, that may be true (or at least truthy) but writing about what we have now as if it was the only thing we could have had but it just took a while is what triggered my comment.

Is my meaning clearer now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Kaliya, poorly phrased on my part. I am familiar (and in awe) of the work you mention and your part in it.</p>
<p>I meant that the article basically implies that typical users of the web had some gaping hole in their experience that and it wasn&#8217;t filled until relatively recently, but now everything&#8217;s okay and we&#8217;re in the future. Like there are certain states the web must achieve somehow.</p>
<p>I guess looking back at it, that may be true (or at least truthy) but writing about what we have now as if it was the only thing we could have had but it just took a while is what triggered my comment.</p>
<p>Is my meaning clearer now?</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-110082</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post.  The people(citizen+prosumer)-centric web is coming.  Check out some thoughts on this:

http://www.slideshare.net/publy/databanking-1297258</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post.  The people(citizen+prosumer)-centric web is coming.  Check out some thoughts on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/publy/databanking-1297258" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/publy/databanking-1297258</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaliya</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-109998</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaliya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from above  &quot;My only objection to this piece is that it is written as if people were sitting around in 2003 and asking where the “personhood”&quot; - http://lachstock.com.au/

People Were sitting around in 2003 asking about personhood on the web - The Augmented Social Network: Building Identity and Trust into the Next Generation Internet. http://asn.planetwork.net published in that year does just that. People involved in the community that wrote that paper are still involved in the current &quot;identity&quot; community innovating.  Another paper in 2004 outlines some open standards to do it The Social Web paper - http://journal.planetwork.net/article.php?lab=reed0704

XRD the discovery protocol is the piece of their work that has gotten the most uptake. 

The Identity Gang formed in 2004 and the subsequent community conference Internet Identity Workshop is still going and has moved many of the standards/efforts Chris outlines forward. Our 9th conference is happening this November in Mountain View.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from above  &#8220;My only objection to this piece is that it is written as if people were sitting around in 2003 and asking where the “personhood”&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://lachstock.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://lachstock.com.au/</a></p>
<p>People Were sitting around in 2003 asking about personhood on the web &#8211; The Augmented Social Network: Building Identity and Trust into the Next Generation Internet. <a href="http://asn.planetwork.net" rel="nofollow">http://asn.planetwork.net</a> published in that year does just that. People involved in the community that wrote that paper are still involved in the current &#8220;identity&#8221; community innovating.  Another paper in 2004 outlines some open standards to do it The Social Web paper &#8211; <a href="http://journal.planetwork.net/article.php?lab=reed0704" rel="nofollow">http://journal.planetwork.net/article.php?lab=reed0704</a></p>
<p>XRD the discovery protocol is the piece of their work that has gotten the most uptake. </p>
<p>The Identity Gang formed in 2004 and the subsequent community conference Internet Identity Workshop is still going and has moved many of the standards/efforts Chris outlines forward. Our 9th conference is happening this November in Mountain View.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaliya</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-109997</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaliya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lachlan hardy - yes folks were sitting around in 2003 thinking about and working on the peoples identity on the web.  See http://www.planetwork.net   The folks who worked on that paper had their work folded into OpenIDv2  in the form of XRD also part of webfinger. 
Pretty much all of the technologies mentioned participate in the Internet Identity Workshop http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com going into it&#039;s 9th edition this November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lachlan hardy &#8211; yes folks were sitting around in 2003 thinking about and working on the peoples identity on the web.  See <a href="http://www.planetwork.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetwork.net</a>   The folks who worked on that paper had their work folded into OpenIDv2  in the form of XRD also part of webfinger.<br />
Pretty much all of the technologies mentioned participate in the Internet Identity Workshop <a href="http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com</a> going into it&#8217;s 9th edition this November.</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hardy</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-109990</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only objection to this piece is that it is written as if people were sitting around in 2003 and asking where the &quot;personhood&quot; and &quot;aggregated conversation streams&quot; were. Or as if that was somehow the destiny of the web.

Fairly easy to write that in retrospect, I&#039;d say, but it&#039;s not as if this the endstate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only objection to this piece is that it is written as if people were sitting around in 2003 and asking where the &#8220;personhood&#8221; and &#8220;aggregated conversation streams&#8221; were. Or as if that was somehow the destiny of the web.</p>
<p>Fairly easy to write that in retrospect, I&#8217;d say, but it&#8217;s not as if this the endstate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/09/14/the-web-at-a-new-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-109982</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian: now there&#039;s a thought...! I&#039;ll have to check out that protocol... ancient history, man! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian: now there&#8217;s a thought&#8230;! I&#8217;ll have to check out that protocol&#8230; ancient history, man! <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And right as I read this MSN had problems causing me to not be able to IM with people only using that (luckily, there&#039;s Jabber :) ). Then again, the way I found out everybody&#039;s having trouble was &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.twitter.com/search?q=msn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;through Twitter&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And right as I read this MSN had problems causing me to not be able to IM with people only using that (luckily, there&#8217;s Jabber <img src='http://factoryjoe.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Then again, the way I found out everybody&#8217;s having trouble was <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=msn" rel="nofollow">through Twitter</a>&#8230;</p>
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