Comments for FactoryCity http://factoryjoe.com/blog This can all be made better. Ready? Begin. Wed, 14 May 2008 02:10:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by FredCavazza.net » Ouverture des réseaux sociaux, la route sera longue… http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99027 FredCavazza.net » Ouverture des réseaux sociaux, la route sera longue… Tue, 13 May 2008 19:48:36 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99027 [...] Contre toute attente, c’est donc MySpace qui a ouvert le bal avec le lancement de Data Availbility, une initiative visant à partager les données des membres de My Space avec les services partenaires (Yahoo, Ebay, Twitter). Comprenez par là que MySpace ouvre une partie de son système d’information pour laisser d’autres services accéder au profil des membres, à leurs photos, à leurs vidéos et à leur liste d’amis. Plus d’infos ici : MySpace Embraces DataPortability, Partners With Yahoo, Ebay And Twitter. A priori une belle preuve d’ouverture mais à posteriori une belle démonstration de verrouillage des membres : “Laissez donc vos données personnelles chez moi (et moi seul) pour que les autres services puissent y accéder (et vous rendre encore plus dépendant)“. Même si les mécanismes proposés sont suffisamment sophistiqués pour autoriser de la synchronisation de listes d’amis ou du mashup social, je ne peux que rester méfiant vis à vis de cette annonce. Il existe en effet un groupe de travail qui a été créé pour traiter de ce genre de questions (Data Portability), pourquoi vouloir faire cavalier seul ? En fait la réponse à cette question se trouve dans le nom de l’initiative : dans Data Portability il y a “portage” alors que dans Data Availability il y a “disponibilité“, et c’est bien là où la différence se trouve : ce projet ne vous permet de sortir vos données personnelles pour les mettre ailleurs, elle permet juste à d’autres services d’y avoir accès. Voilà donc une belle illusion d’ouverture que nous offre MySpace. Pour en savoir plus, je vous recommande la très bonne analyse suivante : Thoughts on Data Portability. [...] [...] Contre toute attente, c’est donc MySpace qui a ouvert le bal avec le lancement de Data Availbility, une initiative visant à partager les données des membres de My Space avec les services partenaires (Yahoo, Ebay, Twitter). Comprenez par là que MySpace ouvre une partie de son système d’information pour laisser d’autres services accéder au profil des membres, à leurs photos, à leurs vidéos et à leur liste d’amis. Plus d’infos ici : MySpace Embraces DataPortability, Partners With Yahoo, Ebay And Twitter. A priori une belle preuve d’ouverture mais à posteriori une belle démonstration de verrouillage des membres : “Laissez donc vos données personnelles chez moi (et moi seul) pour que les autres services puissent y accéder (et vous rendre encore plus dépendant)“. Même si les mécanismes proposés sont suffisamment sophistiqués pour autoriser de la synchronisation de listes d’amis ou du mashup social, je ne peux que rester méfiant vis à vis de cette annonce. Il existe en effet un groupe de travail qui a été créé pour traiter de ce genre de questions (Data Portability), pourquoi vouloir faire cavalier seul ? En fait la réponse à cette question se trouve dans le nom de l’initiative : dans Data Portability il y a “portage” alors que dans Data Availability il y a “disponibilité“, et c’est bien là où la différence se trouve : ce projet ne vous permet de sortir vos données personnelles pour les mettre ailleurs, elle permet juste à d’autres services d’y avoir accès. Voilà donc une belle illusion d’ouverture que nous offre MySpace. Pour en savoir plus, je vous recommande la très bonne analyse suivante : Thoughts on Data Portability. [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Lukas Rosenstock http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99024 Lukas Rosenstock Tue, 13 May 2008 19:22:49 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99024 Great post! I think the emphasis is important that the term Data Portability is not some technology waiting to be implemented but rather an idea how thinks can be done better than today and the discussion how it is done. And it will take some time, where I'm not sure whether the building blocks (OpenID, OAuth, Microformats ...) have to be established first and then used or if Data Portability is the "killer app" that gives these building blocks their breakthrough. Great post! I think the emphasis is important that the term Data Portability is not some technology waiting to be implemented but rather an idea how thinks can be done better than today and the discussion how it is done. And it will take some time, where I’m not sure whether the building blocks (OpenID, OAuth, Microformats …) have to be established first and then used or if Data Portability is the “killer app” that gives these building blocks their breakthrough.

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by links for 2008-05-13 « Derivadow.com http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99023 links for 2008-05-13 « Derivadow.com Tue, 13 May 2008 18:33:46 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99023 [...] Chris Messina’s thoughts on DataPortability [FactoryCity] A very thoughtful post about the pros and cons of dataportability.org Data Portability is giving people a brand to rally around but there are risks including an unrealistic, naive or incomplete model of privacy. (tags: dataportability openid oauth) [...] [...] Chris Messina’s thoughts on DataPortability [FactoryCity] A very thoughtful post about the pros and cons of dataportability.org Data Portability is giving people a brand to rally around but there are risks including an unrealistic, naive or incomplete model of privacy. (tags: dataportability openid oauth) [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Marc Canter http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99017 Marc Canter Tue, 13 May 2008 00:03:31 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99017 Great thread so far - I just wish we were all sitting around the Google campfire this evening, holding hands, roasting marshmellows and thinking about our brothers and sisters up in Redmond, our brethren at Facebook (espousing on 'dynamic privacy', our cohorts down in LaLa (and SOMA) trying to move that giant called MySpace in a widget direction. Oh yah and the rocket scientists at Yahoo. This whole movement of data movement needs to be expanded by discussions on interoperability, testing labs need to be set up (to make sure systems are compatible with each other) and maybe one day we'll be able to start showing vendors and other platforms - why opening up is a good thing. See you all on Thursday. Great thread so far - I just wish we were all sitting around the Google campfire this evening, holding hands, roasting marshmellows and thinking about our brothers and sisters up in Redmond, our brethren at Facebook (espousing on ‘dynamic privacy’, our cohorts down in LaLa (and SOMA) trying to move that giant called MySpace in a widget direction.

Oh yah and the rocket scientists at Yahoo.

This whole movement of data movement needs to be expanded by discussions on interoperability, testing labs need to be set up (to make sure systems are compatible with each other) and maybe one day we’ll be able to start showing vendors and other platforms - why opening up is a good thing.

See you all on Thursday.

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by DataPortability Pfingsten at notizBlog - a private weblog written by Matthias Pfefferle http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99016 DataPortability Pfingsten at notizBlog - a private weblog written by Matthias Pfefferle Mon, 12 May 2008 20:46:43 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99016 [...] auch bald meinen Senf dazu geben Lesenswert ist außerdem noch Chris Messinas (DiSo) Artikel Thoughts on DataPortability und Chris Saads (DataPortability) Antwort Responses to DataPortability questions. « [...] [...] auch bald meinen Senf dazu geben Lesenswert ist außerdem noch Chris Messinas (DiSo) Artikel Thoughts on DataPortability und Chris Saads (DataPortability) Antwort Responses to DataPortability questions. « [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Picking up on a meme http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99015 Picking up on a meme Mon, 12 May 2008 20:46:26 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99015 [...] on the subject of Data portability I highly recommend Chris Messina’s post about it, not because I agree with everything but because he highlights the complexity of the [...] [...] on the subject of Data portability I highly recommend Chris Messina’s post about it, not because I agree with everything but because he highlights the complexity of the [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Nodalities » Blog Archive » This Week’s Semantic Web http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99013 Nodalities » Blog Archive » This Week’s Semantic Web Mon, 12 May 2008 18:04:00 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99013 [...] Thoughts on DataPortability, The care and feeding of online relationships, DataPortability, SPARQL and the “Connect!” button [...] [...] Thoughts on DataPortability, The care and feeding of online relationships, DataPortability, SPARQL and the “Connect!” button [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by =andy http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99011 =andy Mon, 12 May 2008 15:59:43 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99011 Hi Chris, Would love the opportunity to share some details with you on ooTao's work. We have implemented integrations between 90% of the standards that you list and have learned a great deal in the process. Our 'DataWeb Server' is an implementation of, as you say: " data streaming from trusted brokered sources to downstream authorized consumers". We would love to get more involved in DataPortabilty.org... How do we do that? Hi Chris,

Would love the opportunity to share some details with you on ooTao’s work. We have implemented integrations between 90% of the standards that you list and have learned a great deal in the process. Our ‘DataWeb Server’ is an implementation of, as you say: ” data streaming from trusted brokered sources to downstream authorized consumers”. We would love to get more involved in DataPortabilty.org… How do we do that?

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Identity Woman » Chris & Chris on Data Portability http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99010 Identity Woman » Chris & Chris on Data Portability Mon, 12 May 2008 15:28:30 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99010 [...] Chris Mesina has a great post up about data portability. [...] [...] Chris Mesina has a great post up about data portability. [...]

]]> Comment on Thoughts on DataPortability by Developing in an Open world and Some posts around data portability | Here in the Hive http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/05/11/thoughts-on-dataportability/#comment-99009 Developing in an Open world and Some posts around data portability | Here in the Hive Mon, 12 May 2008 12:53:38 +0000 http://factoryjoe.com/blog/?p=950#comment-99009 [...] of all, Chris Messina has a great lengthy post about data portability, which explains a bit about it, the good, the bad, [...] [...] of all, Chris Messina has a great lengthy post about data portability, which explains a bit about it, the good, the bad, [...]

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